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Old 06-11-2013, 11:11   #361
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Good stuff Bluewaters... My participation in the discussion has been limited by the "sailing wifi blues"! (but most of us prefer the isolation... albeit frustration when we need connection for times like this!)

Glad things are going your way!!!

Next posts are not to lead from the progression and outcome of your plight, but for informative discussion...

Good luck my friend!
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:18   #362
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Re: Rudder nightmare at sea

Would anyone agree with giving the rudder a light sanding before treating with a coat of primer before then applying 2 coats of anti-fouling?
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Old 06-11-2013, 11:48   #363
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Would anyone agree with giving the rudder a light sanding before treating with a coat of primer before then applying 2 coats of anti-fouling?
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Old 06-11-2013, 13:03   #364
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Has anyone tried reefing the main and using it for steering while under diesel propulsion ?
In calmer seas of course . just curious .
Yes, I tried that when I had no rudder. No chance of keeping a heading while at sea. Remember, things are very different when you have a rudder that is locked (preferably midships) and no rudder at all on a fin keel. Any change in balance between forces ahead of the keel and behind the keel result in immediate course changes.
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Yes, I tried that when I had no rudder. No chance of keeping a heading while at sea. Remember, things are very different when you have a rudder that is locked (preferably midships) and no rudder at all on a fin keel. Any change in balance between forces ahead of the keel and behind the keel result in immediate course changes.
Ok ..Thanks Z

What about a ketch rig ? possible ..?
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a Ketch or Yawl might balance, since the jib or genoa is in front of the keel and the mizzen is behind the keel, giving some dynamic stability. But I haven't tried it so can't comment from experience. But the reality is that the seas and winds are fickle and being able to hold a course with damaged steering is going to be very difficult regardless of keel type or rigging (unless one wants do drift DDW, which should be a piece-of-cake )
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Old 06-11-2013, 15:33   #367
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But not until after removing all the mold release wax or you will imbed the wax into the sanding scratches.
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Old 06-11-2013, 16:27   #368
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Minaret - doesn't acetone work to get rid of the release chemicals? I am pretty sure I've seen tins of Interlux 202 at the various chandleries in the islands so that should be available.

Meh. I usually two rag with lots of 202 several times (at least 3). With acetone I wouldn't be happy until I'd done it half a dozen times, at least. Acetone evaporates too quickly and is not aggressive enough. Failing 202 use xylene followed by a final tone wipe, all two rag. Sand 80, then 6 coats of Interlux 2000e, then two coats bottom paint. Bring the 2000 up onto the shaft 1/4"; prep first.
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a Ketch or Yawl might balance, since the jib or genoa is in front of the keel and the mizzen is behind the keel, giving some dynamic stability. But I haven't tried it so can't comment from experience. But the reality is that the seas and winds are fickle and being able to hold a course with damaged steering is going to be very difficult regardless of keel type or rigging (unless one wants do drift DDW, which should be a piece-of-cake )


How about a ketch with all power roller furling?
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Yes, I tried that when I had no rudder. No chance of keeping a heading while at sea. Remember, things are very different when you have a rudder that is locked (preferably midships) and no rudder at all on a fin keel. Any change in balance between forces ahead of the keel and behind the keel result in immediate course changes.
Perhaps that is why Nigel 1 suggested the weight on the towline very close to the bow for the tow. With his experience, I'd think his idea would be better than my experiment.

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Re: Rudder nightmare at sea

Have sent an email to the French rep in France to ask when we can expect delivery. Tomorrow would be the two weeks we were originally promised. Still waiting for an answer.
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Re: Rudder nightmare at sea

it is called "waiting for parts in exotic places"................a tour of the rum distilleries in martanique will help pass the time!

still waiting for the delivery of the rudder since it was finished at the end of september on my next delivery!
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But face it, if you lose your rudder (not just your steering) unless you have a real emergency rudder that has attachments already installed, and have already tried it to be sure it really works, chances of any hair brained jury rigged system working are probably less than the number of boats that lose their rudders.
Happened in a boat I was crew in about 20 years ago. One minute in the lead of the race and in the middle of the English Channel, and spinnaker pulling like a train, the next we went through 3 fast broachs before the recognition that the whole rudder had disappeared.

half the crew concentrated on recovering all the sails, and the others on setting up an emergency rudder using a spinnaker pole, a very large spanner (to turn the pole), and a locker lid (secured to the sinnaker pole using a large number of plastic tie straps and numerous new drilled holes in the lid. Once that was in place, slow ahead and return to our berth (50 miles). Hard work, but it was successful.
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it is called "waiting for parts in exotic places"................a tour of the rum distilleries in martanique will help pass the time!

still waiting for the delivery of the rudder since it was finished at the end of september on my next delivery!
Haha, exotic is not what I would describe where we are lol. Now the rum distilleries ... perhaps a visit there would turn where we are into exotic We should have enough money left for one tot of rum, so the rest would be up to the imagination.
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Haha, exotic is not what I would describe where we are lol. Now the rum distilleries ... perhaps a visit there would turn where we are into exotic We should have enough money left for one tot of rum, so the rest would be up to the imagination.
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