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Old 11-06-2011, 14:51   #121
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Re: Propane vs Origo

propane--5 gallons lasts 3 1/2 months of cookingand water heating and coffee making and baking. 4X17(max price of fill up)=much less than a yr of alcohol.. besides--try filling your alcohol stove in a roiling and rolling sea for making coffee for your watch.......LOL goooood luck.

the 17 dollars is sin diego pricing which is higher than here in mexico. here the same size tank is less than 14 dollars. 3 1/2 months is approx 1/4 yr. i think i wouldmuch rather change a propane tank in a busy sea than pour any alcohol or other loose fuel...is safer and self contained... rofl.
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How much are you really saving though? (serious question)

A gallon of alcohol a month is $180 a year (pretty much anywhere, the price is extremely stable) We can just say 200...

The cost to convert my galley to a propane system will run what? Stove, hoses, regulators, tanks, mounting options, solenoid.... Looking at over $2000 (depending mostly on which stove)

That's 10 years worth of alcohol.
even if I get a cheap stove and the install would be over $1000.


I agree with Mark that propane is safe, my boat has had a 30 gallon gasoline tank in the cabin under the settee for the last 35 years. If I bought a boat and it had a propane system already in it, I'd definitely keep it. But when it comes to converting to propane for the benefit of it being cheaper, it doesn't really add up for me. The other benefits do appear to be mostly myth.

And just looking at strickly propane vs. alcohol, you're only saving about $100 a year. While that's more than nothing, it's not exactly going to hurt anyones budget, even the $500 a month cruisers can justify that out pretty easily.
I talked with a kerosene specialist about savings...he advised me to buy heating oil by the 50gal...this would be enormous savings for all kerosene appliences...and if I go the alcohol way, Ethanol from the pump at service station is as cheap as it gets and will burn the same.
Now I do not know if I can rely on this information??? I havent tryed it myself...but the savings maight push me to it?
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Old 11-06-2011, 17:01   #123
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I talked with a kerosene specialist about savings...he advised me to buy heating oil by the 50gal...this would be enormous savings for all kerosene appliences...and if I go the alcohol way, Ethanol from the pump at service station is as cheap as it gets and will burn the same.
Now I do not know if I can rely on this information??? I havent tryed it myself...but the savings maight push me to it?
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I haven't seen Ethanol at the pumps yet in my area, but that would certainly be nice. I have seen 5 gal cans of alcohol though, about half the price of 5x1g cans... 50 gallons of anything is too much for my size boat

I made the comparisons with kerosene too. I had to decide whether to convert my pressurized stove to kero or go Origo (propane wasn't an option due to cost). I decided that between the need for hard-to-find spare parts on the kero burners, knowing that you will be rebiulding or replacing a burner about once a year, the necessity to have the stove gimballed (rebuilding my stove space and making/buying gimbals), and the burners are anywhere from $100 to $300, there is actually no cost savings in the long run.

A propane system would definitely be cheaper to operate, but only by about $100 a year (or so), and that's after the stove pays for itself in savings (anywhere from 5 to 10 years).

My vote is to go cruising with whatever your boat came with. Converting to anythign is not really economical unless you are dead sure you can't live with the system you have.
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Old 11-06-2011, 17:25   #124
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Re: Propane vs Origo

I only fill my 5 gal/20lb tank about three times a year. It is amazingly cheep, and available everywhere. The more third world the country, the more likely that LP is available, (because ALL of the locals use it), and the less likely that they would have alcohol... OR a hardware/paint store at all.

I have known many hundreds of cruisers over the years, and never met a single one, "who ever left the country", that used alcohol. Only local sailors...

By a huge 99% margin, LP is the worlds preferred cruising fuel, for a lot of good reasons.

IF one has a specific cruising ground where they know that alcohol is available, OR if they have a small boat and want to eliminate almost all complicated systems, or IF they have children running the stove and/or are simply afraid of LP... THEN those are reasons that one might choose alcohol over propane. NOT cost!

If you install it yourself, a complete LP system, stove only, (not oven), should certainly come in at well under $1,000, or you're doing something wrong. The hose/reg/fittings etc. should come from gas supply places, not marine stores! This makes LP a lot cheaper to use over the long haul, and the more expensive installation would pay for itself in a couple of years.

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@I have known many hundreds of cruisers over the years, and never met a single one, "who ever left the country", that used alcohol. Only local sailors...@

well, there is a first time for everything - you just met me! - on line at least. I am just back from an 8 month cruise from Chesapeake Bay to the Grenadines and back again with an Origo. So if you count THAT as local sailing then I guess you are right! I was actually glad not to have to lug propane canisters around and had no problem whatever finding fuel for my stove. I did have to go down the street to the hardware store in Marsh Harbour on my way home to find denatured alcohol but everywhere else it was readily available from the chandlers located in harbors.
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Old 12-06-2011, 07:49   #126
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Re: Propane vs Origo

finding in mexico that it is a lot easier to fill a propane tank than find alcohol-- have fun and stay safe. hail--i can even find a ride to the propane refill station !!!!! in virgin islands when i was there we found propane easily, also----chandlers are not always available at anchorages.

my son was cooking with gas in our hom eon land when he was 7 yrs old--i would not trust a 7 yr old anywhere near alcohol stove--LOL-isnt safe. is easier for the kid to turn on a good propane stove--same as a natural gas stove in a home..LOL... without spilling or messing or missing the escapee flame..... is allll your choice....
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Re: Propane vs Origo

I always get a kick out of these threads….. Learn a bit too.

There are lots of folks off shore cruising using propane, kero, and alcohol. Not gunk holing inshore, but out cruising and covering some ground. And Origo is definitely the best of the al-key-haulers.

It is just a personal decision and I am not sure why we have to defend it tooth and nail. In the end its all about the food……

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Question for the Origo users…………

Is the fuel cartridge (land mine) the same for the oven as it is for the two top burners??

Are they interchangeable??

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The cartidges (land mines-never heard that but descriptive) are all the same.
We had installed Origo equipment when we first bought our boat as accomplishing a propane installation was too difficult at the time. What we did was to retrofit the old fashioned (and dangerous) pressurized alcohol stove and oven for the Origo stove. We cut a rectange out of the top of the stove (remove all the old burner stuff) and dropped a 2 burner Origo in. I mounted a 1 burner Origo stove under the oven. Presto....
When we did get around to installing propane (yeah, it's better) we sold our complete oven setup to someone who had bought a boat like ours with the old pressurized alcohol setup.
By the way, the Origo system is safe; I think safer in the long run than propane and certainly safer than pressurized alcohol. This confusion between non-pressurized and pressurized systems may be the reason that "alcohol" isn't considered safe.
Alcohol is easy to find in the US. It does create some fumes in the boat when burned. It is very clean and spills are not a worry; just let them evaporate. It's unlikely that you could create an explosive concentration (unlike propane.)
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Sounds like a good retrofit. Nice job!!!

It is still not clear tho…… For the Origo 6000 the fuel cartridge in the oven is the same size as the file cartridges in the top burners?

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Sounds like a good retrofit. Nice job!!!

It is still not clear tho…… For the Origo 6000 the fuel cartridge in the oven is the same size as the file cartridges in the top burners?

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Yes - they are exactly the same.
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Re: Propane vs Origo

Yes, the fuel cartridge (love your metaphor of the land mine!) is exactly the same for the top burners and the oven. We use them interchangeably.

By the way, we've used our Origo 6000 2-burner stove with oven for several years. We still prefer it to the propane system that we had on our old boat, for a lot of reasons.
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Thank you......

I love the simplicity of the Origo. It looks like a great stove.
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Thank you......

I love the simplicity of the Origo. It looks like a great stove.
As simple (and safe) as it gets. We've been using ours now for 27 years and we still have had no thoughts of switching out to propane.
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Question Re: Propane vs Origo

2 months in, I'm not as crazy about the Origo 1500 as I started out:

I'm still looking for a real-no-spill way to fill the canister.

I don't like waiting around to light it when alcohol is low.

Also, I boil water in the morning, and heat something at night but am averaging a gal a month for the first two months. This month I'm making an effort to fit the neoprene anti-evap flap in hopes of getting MTPG. More time per gallon.

The good side is, I really do not think it takes longer to boil water than propane. Still, I am thinking of going back to propane as I have a FG tank, the barbeque, and emergency Mr. Buddy heater already. However, I am somewhat bummed that it's not considered safe to just leave the tank secure but un-enclosed in the cockpit. Thoughts?
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