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Old 24-12-2018, 15:07   #1
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Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

My transmission has become hard to get into reverse, so I had the transmission mechanic out and he showed me where the linkage was not aligned properly when I had the engine rebuilt and it is bent and needs to be replaced.

Now my challenge. The transmission guy (from years of experience) won't work on pedestals. He showed me what to do to take the pedestal apart, but the machine screws (stainless) are seized to the aluminum.

I've tried penetrating oil and heat, along with an impact driver, and still no luck.

Any other suggestions on how to get them screws un-seized so I can replace the linkage?
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Re: Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

Judicious use of a breaker bar and a bit which precisely fits the screws did it for me. Initially one sharp rap with a hammer on the top of the fastenings can do the trick to get them started, then be very cautious with the breaker bar/bit.
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Re: Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

I would have tackled the problem the way Jim suggests but doing a little research I came up with this.





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Re: Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

Thanks for the suggestions.

The screw extractor won't work in my case because the lip of the pedestal that seats the compass won't allow me to get a straight shot at the screws.

Can you give me more detail about the breaker bar / bit combination?
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Thanks for the suggestions.

The screw extractor won't work in my case because the lip of the pedestal that seats the compass won't allow me to get a straight shot at the screws.

Can you give me more detail about the breaker bar / bit combination?
I think what Jim refers to as a "Breaker Bar"is what we call a "Impact Screwdriver". As you hit the driver with a hammer the bit which is inserted into the screw gets turned a fraction". You can see a picture here. It is available at Home Depot for about $14. BUT I don't think it will work in your case as you can't get a direct drive.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/TEKTON-3...2905/205674679

Actually I just googled "Breaker Bar" and it is not the same.


https://sydneytools.com.au/category/...s/breaker-bars




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Maybe someone here knows how to do it?


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Re: Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

I've tried the impact screwdriver and can't get them to budge.
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I think what Jim refers to as a "Breaker Bar"is what we call a "Impact Screwdriver". As you hit the driver with a hammer the bit which is inserted into the screw gets turned a fraction". You can see a picture here. It is available at Home Depot for about $14. BUT I don't think it will work in your case as you can't get a direct drive.

https://www.homedepot.com/p/TEKTON-3...2905/205674679

Actually I just googled "Breaker Bar" and it is not the same.


[URL]https://sydneytools.com.au/category/hand-tools/breaker-bars[/URL




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This is a breaker bar. Just get a bit that fits your fasteners which is the same drive size as the bar you use.
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Re: Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

I have a small 12V right angle drill from Milwaukie. Comes in handy for so many things. Can you drill the head out?
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More heat: It takes beaucoup btus to get the aluminum to expand . Helpful to have someone to help, as the aluminum cools really quickly.
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Just stop adding heat when the aluminum starts to melt.
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Use a tubular drill and drill out the entire screw. Tap a thread in the aluminium pedestal, and insert a stainless steel helicoil, then into that helicoil screw thread STAINLESS STEEL THREADED ROD AS STUDS. When you put in thge studs, use permanent Locktite stud cement on the threads. Instead of using threaded rod, some can reach into the poedestal and slide a bolt through screwing it into the helicoil from inside the pedestal. If you can do this, it is a slightly better option, but studs are fine and CHEAPER,

Place the cover, which should already be drilled to the size of the threaded studs by the tubular drill you used to drill out the screws, over the pedestal and using washers and nuts, tighten down the cover on its gasket if any, which may also have to be modified to fit over the studs..

Using a fine cutting wheel and a grinder or a Dremel tool. remove the nuts and washers one at a time and cut each stainless steel stud so that they are flush with the tops of the nuts plus washers. Some do it with the nuts in place, but I prefer to remove them, and bevel slightly the top of the studs, then replace the nuts.. It makes it easier to thread on a nut.

When you have done this to all of them, one at a time remove the nuts and washers you replaced after trimming the studs, and spray a little Hylomar on the alloy, the washer, and the thread. This time replace the nut with a stainless steel DOMED nut. Domed nuts do nut damage clothing or skin. and do not allow water to reach threads if seated in Hylomar.

Make sure the panel is also sealed with a gasket, rubber bedding compound or O-Ring rubber.

The pedestal should now be completely waterproof, entirely insulated, and you will have no further problems. If you need to re-enter it, spray a little Hylomar on the metal before re-assembling it. Wipe off excess before it sets.

Hylomar, like Ferropre, and Blu-Tak is something that ought to be aboard all vessels.
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Re: Pedestal Problem / transmission linkage

The ongoing saga of my pedestal problem:

I have done the following:
1. Impact driver - because of angle, driver slips out of screw slot.
2. Breaker bar - same as impact driver.
3. Drilled hole in lip of pedestal, used large flathead screwdriver and vice grips. Slot in screw damaged, screwdriver slips out of slot.

I've also used liberal amounts of penetrating oil and a heat gun, still no luck.

I've also tried to get a dremel tool in to cut off heads of screws so I can pull top off and then extract the screw... angle won't allow me to get dremel tool in to cut it off.

I'm now at a loss.

Any suggestions??? I'm desperate!!!!
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Can you use a long 3/8" extension between the impact driver and the screwdriver bit to get a better/straighter angle on the screw?

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