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Old 14-10-2014, 19:05   #1
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Payload for Small Boat Cruising?

Thinking about a couple on a 30'er . . . .

I am trying to be specific, rather than the general lbs/person swags. And trying to be realistic enough for someone trying to fit into a 30'er and not end up with 'luxury' loads that just force a 40'er.

So, two columns, first for 'serious coastal' (like going to Newfoundland or up the PNW) and second for 30 day passage/blue water cruising (note the food and water are based on actual's from Beth's careful record keeping).

Coastal Passage
Water 250 325
Diesel 72 72
Gasoline 32 32
Propane 20 20
Chain 74 150
Rode 25 25
Anchors 55 100
Tools 100 100
Spare Parts 50 200
Clothing 100 100
Food 200 300
Extra sails & Rope 50 50
Books and stuff 200 200
dinghy & outboard 200 200
Misc 150 150
Total 1578 2024

​I figure the misc category is four 38lbs cardboard boxes of stuff, which is a decent amount for a 30'er. Also note the other semi-misc category 'books and stuff' category is also pretty large, especially given most of our books are now of ipad and don't weight anything at all!

Comments - especially from those of you actually cruising on small boats?
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Old 14-10-2014, 19:29   #2
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Re: Payload for small boat cruising?

sorry don't mean to be rude but the figures you give are pretty meaningless unless expressed in kilos , liters and meters.

most of the world stopped using pounds in the 70's
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Re: Payload for small boat cruising?

Evans, are those figures all lbs. or kilos? Fuel looks very low if they are lbs. You don't mention the crew weight.
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Re: Payload for small boat cruising?

A few comments:
1) Why would you need more chain and anchor gear on a blue water passage than "serious coastal"?
2) You will probably need less gasoline on a blue water passage than coastal
3) 72 gal of diesel in a 30 ft boat is a lot. 72 lbs of diesel is not enough. Which do you mean? Same question for water.
4) You didn't include life raft or drogue--items some folks would consider essential for blue water.

Some 30 footers are small and can't carry all that stuff, but have made many successful blue water passages.
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sorry don't mean to be rude but the figures you give are pretty meaningless unless expressed in kilos , liters and meters.

most of the world stopped using pounds in the 70's
Atoll, most of the world in the 30s and 40s was sitting quietly and letting the nazis do what they were doing. Is that enough of the reason to let "most of the world do their thing"? I am personally not a fan of "pounds, inches and miles" but it is what it is. And the rest of the world will have to deal with it as long as US is in the forefront of the world's economy and so on.
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Atoll, most of the world in the 30s and 40s was sitting quietly and letting the nazis do what they were doing. Is that enough of the reason to let "most of the world do their thing"? I am personally not a fan of "pounds, inches and miles" but it is what it is. And the rest of the world will have to deal with it as long as US is in the forefront of the world's economy and so on.
most of the Modern world has been metric for over 40 years .
sorry but you have to move with the times.
the only "imperial" units sailors use these days are degrees ,minutes and seconds
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most of the Modern world has been metric for over 40 years .
sorry but you have to move with the times.
the only "imperial" units sailors use these days are degrees ,minutes and seconds
I actually agree with the need to go metric. On the other hand I understand the reason for imperial units, etc. A foot is much easier to visualize being exactly one's foot in length than an abstract "centimeter'. But having grown up with metric in non-US setting I can do either without much trouble. But I do understand those who refuse to go metric as metric is artificial whereas imperial is human based.
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most of the Modern world has been metric for over 40 years .
sorry but you have to move with the times.
the only "imperial" units sailors use these days are degrees ,minutes and seconds
And Nautical Miles!!!
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I actually agree with the need to go metric. On the other hand I understand the reason for imperial units, etc. A foot is much easier to visualize being exactly one's foot in length than an abstract "centimeter'. But having grown up with metric in non-US setting I can do either without much trouble. But I do understand those who refuse to go metric as metric is artificial whereas imperial is human based.
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I actually agree with the need to go metric. On the other hand I understand the reason for imperial units, etc. A foot is much easier to visualize being exactly one's foot in length than an abstract "centimeter'. But having grown up with metric in non-US setting I can do either without much trouble. But I do understand those who refuse to go metric as metric is artificial whereas imperial is human based.
So what's the human basis for inches, gallons & pints, lbs & oz, ... ?

Enquiring minds want to know.
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So what's the human basis for inches, gallons, lbs & oz, ... ?

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Why, were you banned from google? ))

Inches is easy. It was the width of the thumb of some medieval English king. So was his foot's length for a "foot" (our size 12 I suppose). A yard was the lenght from his waste to the ground (I think). And so forth. Of course these measures differed quite a bit from place to place not to mention from country to country, thus the need for standartization. But that's another story.
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Why, were you banned from google? ))

Inches is easy. It was the width of the thumb of some medieval English king. So was his foot's length for a "foot" (our size 12 I suppose). A yard was the lenght from his waste to the ground (I think). And so forth. Of course these measures differed quite a bit from place to place not to mention from country to country, thus the need for standartization. But that's another story.
I rest my case concerning medieval measurements,the rest of the world has moved on and are now using metric measurments
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I rest my case concerning medieval measurements,the rest of the world has moved on and are now using metric measurments
The only positive I see in metric are the ease of using values such as 8mm, 9mm, 10mm and so forth compared to fractionals such as 1/32, 3/64, 7/16 and some such. Other than that it is just a matter of being familiar with one or the other.
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Wow, this has to be some sort of record for a thread going off the rails. Carrying capacity to a squabble about measuring systems in less than an hour ... impressive.


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