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Old 01-11-2011, 12:45   #1
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New Winches . . . Yay . . . And a Question

So, bought a pair of Anderson 28s --self-tailing, two speed, stainless steel. Very nice. A project for the long cold winter.

Obviously, I need to mount them. I plan to use butyl tape to bed the bolts and prevent water getting in. My old winches, when I pulled them off, had evidence of that approach.

The Anderson manual sez: "Apply a light coat of bedding compound, ensuring that each bolthole is bedded. Keep drain grooves clear."

Drain grooves? There are a couple of grooves on the bottom side of the base. I assume these are the drain grooves in question.

What are they meant to drain? Should I run a line of butyl between the grooves and the bolts? (The old winches appeared to have a circular track of ancient butyl inside the circle of bolt holes.)

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Re: New winches....yay ... and a question

IIRC, my Lewmars had the same instruction regarding the drain.
Not sure about Andersons, but you might have to disassemble the winch and rotate the head in order to co-ordinate the drain with the sheet lead-in angle to position the S/T jaw correctly.
The Port has lead-in outboard and jaw inboard.
Starboard has lead-in and jaw inboard.
Both drains have to be outboard.
But I think you already know this

Afterthought : this is on a boat with quarter turning blocks. If sheets lead from sheet block directly to winch, then lead-ins are reversed.
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IIRC, my Lewmars had the same instruction regarding the drain.
Not sure about Andersons, but you might have to disassemble the winch and rotate the head in order to co-ordinate the drain with the sheet lead-in angle to position the S/T jaw correctly.
The Port has lead-in outboard and jaw inboard.
Starboard has lead-in and jaw inboard.
Both drains have to be outboard.
But I think you already know this

Afterthought : this is on a boat with quarter turning blocks. If sheets lead from sheet block directly to winch, then lead-ins are reversed.
If you are talking about orienting the feeder, I thought it was supposed to be toward the operator.
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Jaw=feeder, operator=inboard.
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Re: New winches....yay ... and a question

Andersen, not -son. They did not migrate, yet. They are not related to Pamela, as far as I know.

When any water goes into the handle socket it goes thu the drains. Make sure at least one of them faces low and do not push any grease in them. Same holes like on Lewmar btw.

Fantastic winches, have 4 on our ship. Selftailers both in plastic and SS top lid.

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Re: New winches....yay ... and a question

Yep, e not o.

Substantively, the winches have two grooves that appear to be oriented so one drains aft and one forward (rather than port and starboard).

So the idea is that I ensure they drain, while making sure water doesn't get near the holes in the coaming.. No probs.

I went with the plastic top, BTW. Just an aesthetic decision. Looks neater.

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Jaw=feeder, operator=inboard.
Right of course.

Wasn't thinking monohull; on my cat, operator is aft.
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(...) one drains aft and one forward (rather than port and starboard).
? maybe the drain orientation depends on how you place the base ? telling this because on our ship they face athwart

The plastic tops fade away in the sun and you can replace them later. Much later. The SS tops do not fade neither bend nor melt otherwise the quality of the winch is the same.

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Re: New Winches . . . Yay . . . And a Question

Thats what I meant by the possibility of having to disassemble and re-orientate the winch parts. Has been the case on almost all winches I have installed.
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Re: New winches....yay ... and a question

Would make sense... my old Meissners had the grooves athwart.

But the mounting holes are asymmetric -- or rather bilaterally symmetric around a line through the hole that goes under the tailing arm (according to the template). The drain grooves are at right angles to the line.

The hole under the tailing arm has to be on the inboard side, which leaves the grooves running fore and aft. I'll try to take a picture in the next few days.

Maybe time to appeal to the source.. Andersen must have some sort of support.

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Re: New Winches . . . Yay . . . And a Question

Asked Andersen via email. So far, no reply.

But the 28s do not have an adjustable tailing arm. It's set to be in one place relative to the base. And when the tailing arm is in the right position, the drain grooves on the base are fore and aft.

So I think that answers that question.

Thanx for everyone's input.

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