New bottom paint falling off in patches

[rwidman]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

...............Most of the workers are Hispanic and their quality of work varies from one guy to another. ...............

Yea, that's pretty racist. I have been around the block a time or two and have found that the quality of work of "non-Hispanics" varies greatly from one person to another. Many times "non white" people try harder to dispel the myth that their work is not as good as that of white workers while some white workers show up drunk or on drugs.

You know, some of the members here might just be Hispanic. You've insulted them. Did you mean to?

[Celestialsailor]

Originally Posted by rwidman

Yea, that's pretty racist. I have been around the block a time or two and have found that the quality of work of "non-Hispanics" varies greatly from one person to another. Many times "non white" people try harder to dispel the myth that their work is not as good as that of white workers while some white workers show up drunk or on drugs.

You know, some of the members here might just be Hispanic. You've insulted them. Did you mean to?

No...I did not...and again...lets complete what I said... " varies from one guy to another. From excellent work to not very good"
So yes...no matter what race, the same is true. In that yard, the people who sand bottoms happen to be Hispanic. Most basketball players are black. Am I racist? A majority of clerical work is done by women. Is that sexist? Most boat owners are male...is that sexist?

[Kerry1]

You don't say whether the last coat of antifouling was ablative or hard. I have found issues like this as I have applied new ablative over old AF, sometimes the old coat seems well bonded to the substrate at the time it is waterblasted (which is a pretty solid workout for any unsound paint) after hauling out. But when a few days of drying has elapsed and go to apply new AF over old and it seems the solvents in the new AF release the bond the old AF had on the hull. At this point I was told to go over the hull again checking for signs of any paint poorly bonded and apply epoxy primer before antifouling on any unsound areas. The other issue may be this- some hulls from new- apparently never had an epoxy primer treatment under the antifoul, the AF has gone straight over gelcoat, which may result in poor bonding. The video to me looks like your hull may have not had this initial epoxy priming. What sort of sailboat is it? How old? Is it a production boat?

[Stu Jackson]

Many have suggested going back to the yard that did the work originally. IIRC, the OP said it was done six months ago in Washington and he's now in San Francisco.

Would that modify any of your responses?

[Cheechako]

As others said, no hurry. You can go the summer without bottom paint if you want. Depends on how bad growth is in your area. Eventually, you need to haul the boat and can then determine exactly what is going on. Analyze the surface etc. I don't see it being the Washington yard's problem is they just did a quick sand and paint.
You need to determine if the previous coat is coming off, the underpaint or what.

[DumnMad]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

No...I did not...and again...lets complete what I said... " varies from one guy to another. From excellent work to not very good"
So yes...no matter what race, the same is true. In that yard, the people who sand bottoms happen to be Hispanic. Most basketball players are black. Am I racist? A majority of clerical work is done by women. Is that sexist? Most boat owners are male...is that sexist?

Haha. Some people just don't want you to use an adjective to describe a person. Fat, skinny, beer-gut, tall, short, bald, wing-eared, hook nosed, brown, black, red-head, pretty, plain, curvy, etc.
If a policeman asks you to describe someone - don't - you might end up in court

IMO they are the ones who are over-sensitive/judgmental of race, colour, shape, weight, etc. and need to get over it.

[rognvald]

Liefo,
A few comments:
1.) I'm a sucker for any boat named after the Norse god of sex and beauty.
2.) It looks like the original gelcoat in your pix unless it is Petit Vivid
white or a similar product
3.) My guess is that it is an adhesion problem caused by a lack of proper
pre-paint preparation
4.) The fix is to pull your boat, prime with Petit Tie coat primer and repaint
the spots. I just repaired two spots on my boat this Spring. The
last repair lasted 12 years.
5.) In a worst-case scenario, you'll have to pull your boat and repaint
6.) $2k to paint a bottom? It's not rocket science.
7.) There was a time in our country when it was not a punishable offense
to refer to people by their ethnicity--whether good or bad. Obviously,
the successive "sensitive generations" cannot bode any reference to
one's "race" or "ethnicity" without it having a pejorative connotation.
This, of course, is because we are all the same and there are no
personal or ethnic differences as published in most University Bible's
under the heading "Sociology 101." When you suffer under this
ideologic Marxism, you have not only lost your mind but have lost
your soul. But look how good we feel to support the Party Line!
Power to the People! Long live Comrade Stalin and Chairman Mao!
I wonder if I still have that red beret in my closet . . . however, it
was used for pursuing Grouse and Woodcock with no political intent.
Good luck and safe sailing,
Captain Rognvald--lover of Freya and illicit Viking.

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Celestialsailor

So yes...no matter what race, the same is true.

If the race of the workers is not an issue, why repeatedly mention that they were hispanic?

I'll tell you why- because on some level, to you, their race is an issue.

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

You can go the summer without bottom paint if you want.

OMG- worst advice ever.

[Captndave1]

suggest you peel a piece of paint and have it analysed to determine just what peeled, the paint or the barrier coat. Analysis can determine that then you will be able to determine what to do.

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

OMG- worst advice ever.

With or without paint, many places it's not going to be clean anyway ...unless you hire a diver. If it worked .....divers like you would have nothing to do!

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

With or without paint, many places it's not going to be clean anyway ...unless you hire a diver. If it worked .....divers like you would have nothing to do!

Anti fouling paint does not eliminate fouling altogether, it merely retards it. How effectively it does that is largely predicated upon the fouling conditions it is used in. Overall however, it is not reasonable to expect a bottom to stay clean (noting that one man's "clean" is another man's undersea garden) even with anti fouling paint on it. To advise someone who keeps his boat in San Francisco Bay that he would be fine without any anti fouling paint at all is to completely misjudge the fairly gnarly fouling conditions we experience here.

[Cheechako]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

Anti fouling paint does not eliminate fouling altogether, it merely retards it. How effectively it does that is largely predicated upon the fouling conditions it is used in. Overall however, it is not reasonable to expect a bottom to stay clean (noting that one man's "clean" is another man's undersea garden) even with anti fouling paint on it. To advise someone who keeps his boat in San Francisco Bay that he would be fine without any anti fouling paint at all is to completely misjudge the fairly gnarly fouling conditions we experience here.

Ok I see. So your advice to haul it, spend $1500-$5000+ now at the start of the sailing season, and who knows how long depending on what's going on, with a new boat, rather than maybe have it cleaned a couple times. I get it. Brilliant!

[fstbttms]

Originally Posted by Cheechako

Ok I see. So your advice to haul it, spend $1500-$5000+ now at the start of the sailing season, and who knows how long depending on what's going on, with a new boat, rather than maybe have it cleaned a couple times. I get it. Brilliant!

I didn't advise the OP to haul now and you know it. What I did was to simply refute a fairly ridiculous statement you made.

[Kerry1]

Originally Posted by fstbttms

If the race of the workers is not an issue, why repeatedly mention that they were hispanic?

I'll tell you why- because on some level, to you, their race is an issue.

Obviously stereotyping is as wrong as racism. One cannot be either blameworthy or praiseworthy on the basis of race since one cannot help but be whatever race a person is born into.

But there is another side of this. People are born into cultures as well as race and the boundaries often coincide and overlap. Often there is a co-relation between general cultural atitudes over such things as a solid work ethic, honesty and integrity and a persons race. Which is why racism and other generalizations gain traction with unthinking people. It's just wrong to make this an issue of race. What may have more honesty attached is that because certain cultures have different value systems a claim can be made as a generalization which often is a reflection of truth. It's just wrong to attribute it to race. Hope this makes sense. It is a conflation of cultural attitudes to certain ethical criteria with race. In other words if we take a section of a population of one race and they are subjected to the same cultural pressures over generations that others may have been subjected to- for example- over generations of Western values- then they would undoubtedly have the same atitude (generally) towards things such as a solid work ethic.

Just as the peeling bottom paint on your boat is not strictly a reflection of a boats character, (being only skin deep) neither is skin colour automatically going to determine a persons work ethic. However, the racist gets his credibility from generalizations that show repetitive instances.

So if every boat coming out of a particular manufacturers yard had no original epoxy undercoat those boats would get a well deserved negative reputation for antifoul peeling. However any thinking person can see it is the result of the policies of the manufacturer not the boat. Just so, in the case of people who have a poor work ethic it is the result of those forces which have shaped their culture. Even so, we still hold the workman accountable in some way for their poor workmanship and can at least see why a person will attribute a case for a deficient attitude to work as being an issue of race. It is the lack of care in articulating the underlying causes that creates issues.

Then things get worse, because the race card can be used to shield from a just criticism. For instance if you cannot criticize the state of Israel for fear of being called "antisemitic" then they have effectively silenced what may be a genuine issue of justice. If I cannot criticize the religion of Islam without offending Muslims, then I have no effective way of criticizing any Muslim behaviour based on his beliefs. If that happens, then we can make no case for a universal morality. This is what political correctness and moral relativism get you to.