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Old 03-11-2015, 10:44   #106
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Re: Most boats have liners; which ones do it best?

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You are saying all expensive yachts used cored hulls?
Yes, except Oyster.

SAILING yachts. I don't know about motor yachts, or motor sailers. I think Nauticats are all solid (and they are expensive, and lovely), but they are heavy displacement motor sailers.

The high end European makers have had excellent results with it, and you don't hear about many problems. By and large they use vacuum infusion and encapsulated blocks.

High end American makers like Hinckley and Morris have had more problems. Morris were using plain non-encapsulated balsa until quite late, and did have a fair number of core problems. It could be that there is more prejudice against it in the U.S. because of this.

Steve Dashew's Sundeers have fully cored hulls. He was one of the pioneers of the vacuum in fusion process; he calls it SCRIMP. They seem to be very reliable. J-Boats (made in the same yard as Sundeers) use the same process.


Inexpensive mass produced boats like Beneteau, Hunter, etc., on the contrary, all have solid hulls below the waterline.


I don't know, frankly, about the German makers Hanse, Dehler, and Bavaria.
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... Steve Dashew's Sundeers have fully cored hulls. He was one of the pioneers of the vacuum in fusion process; he calls it SCRIMP ...
Bill Seemann developed the SCRIMP* vacuum infusion process, for which he (actually, Seemann Composites Inc.) was awarded its first U.S. Patent in 1990.
* Seemann Composites Resin Infusion Molding Process
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Bill Seemann developed the SCRIMP* vacuum infusion process, for which he (actually, Seemann Composites Inc.) was awarded its first U.S. Patent in 1990.
* Seemann Composites Resin Infusion Molding Process
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Re: Most boats have liners; which ones do it best?

Avb3,

It seems you have had the dreaded thread drift you'd hoped to avoid. Still, the information you seek is out there, and the problem is to access it. Maybe PMs to MaineSail, minaret, Polux, and neilpride could get a list of the brands that have had the most repairs? or the boat not repaired due to expense of repair?

[wink, nod, smile to Muckle Flugga].

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Re: Most boats have liners; which ones do it best?

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Avb3,

It seems you have had the dreaded thread drift you'd hoped to avoid. Still, the information you seek is out there, and the problem is to access it. Maybe PMs to MaineSail, minaret, Polux, and neilpride could get a list of the brands that have had the most repairs? or the boat not repaired due to expense of repair?

[wink, nod, smile to Muckle Flugga].

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Can't outlaw thread drift can we?

There has been some good information that came out beyond just a list of boats, and it brings to mind some other issues I will look at. I can just imagine finding the right make, the right boat as far as condition is concerned, and then finding THAT boat has a 6'5" draft. That would exclude me ever using it in most of Florida.
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Can't outlaw thread drift can we?

There has been some good information that came out beyond just a list of boats, and it brings to mind some other issues I will look at. I can just imagine finding the right make, the right boat as far as condition is concerned, and then finding THAT boat has a 6'5" draft. That would exclude me ever using it in most of Florida.
Yikes, I forgot you are in Florida. What is your draft limit?
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Yikes, I forgot you are in Florida. What is your draft limit?
I'm at 4'10" now and feel the odd 'bump'. Thankfully it is a soft bottom in most places. Only once did I have to call BoatUS for towing, and then the tide came up and I was able to wiggle my way off before they dispatched.

There... I said it. I've been stuck.

I feel soooo much better that confession is off my chest!
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I'm at 4'10" now and feel the odd 'bump'. Thankfully it is a soft bottom in most places. Only once did I have to call BoatUS for towing, and then the tide came up and I was able to wiggle my way off before they dispatched.

There... I said it. I've been stuck.

I feel soooo much better that confession is off my chest!
LOL. Well, when I was sailing SW Florida with my Dad (whom you met), we hardly went out without "bumping" at least once. If we got off without TowboatUS, it didn't count . We were about the same draft as you.

If you want a 40+' boat, you will need something with shoal draft, I guess. The Jeanneau Sun Odyssey 45.1 from the late '90's could be had with a shoal draft of 5'3"; could you stretch to that?
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Re: Most boats have liners; which ones do it best?

I don't know what your budget is, but for the really skinny water of SW Florida, you can't beat a boat with a lifting keel.

Have you looked at Southerlies? The 110 has draft of only 2'4" with the keel up (and 7'2" with the keel down!). They make a 42 footer which draws less than 3' with the keel up.

I think this would be pretty much ideal for those waters, plus you can crawl creeks, dry out, etc. -- lots of advantages.

They're not too cheap, unfortunately, but beautifully built and strong. Buy one over here and I'll help you sail it across the Atlantic.
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I don't know what your budget is, but for the really skinny water of SW Florida, you can't beat a boat with a lifting keel.

Have you looked at Southerlies? The 110 has draft of only 2'4" with the keel up (and 7'2" with the keel down!). They make a 42 footer which draws less than 3' with the keel up.

I think this would be pretty much ideal for those waters, plus you can crawl creeks, dry out, etc. -- lots of advantages.
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Re: Most boats have liners; which ones do it best?

It's OK if I giggle a "little" at a thread...

Started by a mod, majority of posts are mods...

That is a front runner in the most redacted thread contest...



... I'm feeling a post violation tingle...
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I don't know what your budget is, but for the really skinny water of SW Florida, you can't beat a boat with a lifting keel.

Have you looked at Southerlies? The 110 has draft of only 2'4" with the keel up (and 7'2" with the keel down!). They make a 42 footer which draws less than 3' with the keel up.

I think this would be pretty much ideal for those waters, plus you can crawl creeks, dry out, etc. -- lots of advantages.

They're not too cheap, unfortunately, but beautifully built and strong. Buy one over here and I'll help you sail it across the Atlantic.
Just read up on them, as something I certainly had not considered.

Having no experience with lifting keels, the concern I have heard expressed is critter growth in the mechanism. I know this one is hydraulic, and that may mitigate things, but with the situation in Florida waters, I wonder how that would impact? Can't imagine a diver being able to get in there.

I was VERY surprised to read that they have no chain plates. Can you comment on that aspect at all.

It's a good looking boat. Any idea of head room? The nav station looks like it might be a bit tight for someone my height. I like the numerous grab rails they seem to have, although I didn't see any overhead. Huge galley layout for a boat that size it seems. Again, lots of grab rails there.

It certainly is on the higher side of where I would be looking at as far as costs, but, yes, an interesting suggestion.
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Island Packet is building somebody else boat for them that is a mono and apparently a retractable keel, that can be beached. I saw a photo of one beached like a dinghy.
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Island Packet is building somebody else boat for them that is a mono and apparently a retractable keel, that can be beached. I saw a photo of one beached like a dinghy.
Don't know the name.
April 27, 2015 /PRNewswire/ – Seaward Yachts | Sail Without Boundaries (Hake Yachts, LLC) announced today that it has entered into an agreement with Traditional Watercraft, Inc, the makers of Island Packet and Blue Jacket Yachts, to build its line of retracting keel sailboats (the RK Series) at TWI's facilities in Largo, Florida.
Seaward Sailboats (Hake Yachts, LLC) Is On The Move and Making Waves. -- STUART, Fla., April 27, 2015 /PRNewswire/ --
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