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Old 02-11-2007, 08:39   #1
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Question Mooring Plan

What size cleats and mooring lines will I need? I'm thinking 10" (2 aft, 2 midships) Cleats & 5/8" mooring lines will be ok. Would you use cleats vs a samson post on the bow? Planning on a electric windlass for handling the anchor.
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Old 02-11-2007, 09:02   #2
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I like your measurements for everything you listed; I'm using 5/8 for 26K pounds displacement.

I'd go with the samson post. It does double duty for mooring lines and for your anchor rode.
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Old 02-11-2007, 09:25   #3
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What size cleats and mooring lines will I need? I'm thinking 10" (2 aft, 2 midships) Cleats & 5/8" mooring lines will be ok. Would you use cleats vs a samson post on the bow? Planning on a electric windlass for handling the anchor.
LOA = 28'-2", Beam = 10'-0", Displ = 9,750#
The ABYC Design Load* for Sizing Deck Hardware (Section H-40) recommends that:
Permanent Moorings be designed for 2,100 Lbs (7/8" Nylon), Storm Anchors be designed for 1,400# (7/16" Nylon), & Working Anchors for 700# (˝" Nylon).

5/8" Nylon is generally rated about 1,114 Lbs WLL, which will be more than adequate for normal inland purposes. Notwithstanding, I would size my hardware for the larger Storm loads.

Bow Anchor cleats could be as large as you can practicably fit.
10" Cleats should be adequate to handle a single 7/8" anchor/mooring line, and/or two 7/16" lines. *

*Some say that Cleats should measure at least one inch in length (tip to tip) for each 1/16 inch of line diameter. So, if you want to use a 5/8 inch diameter line (10/16"), your cleats should be at least 10 inches long.

If using a Sampson Post, remember to size it to accept at least two anchor/mooring lines, and also provide ancillary cleats for snubbers, sentinels, and spring lines etc.

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WLL for Anchor Rodes
http://www.cruisersforum.com/gallery...=500&userid=79
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:11   #4
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A samson post on the bow of your boat would look good and of course serve a function.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:26   #5
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Somethin' like this methinks....

May substitute pop-up cleats for the 6" fender cleats.
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Old 02-11-2007, 10:57   #6
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The oval Hawse pipe and cleat arrangements are nice. I like them.
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Cavils or kevels through a good, high bulwark are nice, but not sure if they're part of the design here...

Knottybuoyz: have you sized the fenders to get parallel to the dock? Looks like the aft fender would need to be a fair bit larger diameter at that position. (Unless, like me, you tuck in the aft end with aft and spring line to make it a bit easier on and off the dock to the cockpit.)

Took a second look and now I'm not sure it would ever be an issue. Looks salty!
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I too, like the Hawse /w cleat, or the fairlead with cleat (left).
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The KARLYN CLEAT is a piece of hardware that combines several types of traditional line fastening and line controlling hardware into one simple piece of equipment. Use it as a cleat, chock, fair-lead pad-eye and jam-cleat, or multiple uses at the same time.
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I really like those fairlead cleats too! Pricey same as those Karlyn cleats. Maybe for the next boat!

Still undecided but leaning towards flushing the fwd deck to increase cabin space. Won't actually make that decision till it's being built. That'll mean line chocks.

Haven't sized fenders yet. That's probably second last thing I'll look at just before it goes in the water for the first time.

I can pick up one of these for just under $70 on e-Bay. Seems like a decent price.

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The 10 inch cleats for 5/8 line is good. 5/8 braid has lots of advantages including the ability to chafe through almost all the way and still be holding on. You need the ability to tie an aft line and a spring line to the same cleat with strong line. Being too big is never a problem for cleats. Sampson post for the bow for sure. For fenders I would go bigger and fewer and include fender covers. Something like a polyform 10 inch diameter. The covers I had never used before this year and now I won't be without them. The ability to rig a fender board from the two fender cleats would be a huge plus. I'm thinking nasty creosote covered bulkheads and locks.
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Inexpensive samson post

Some of 'em aren't nearly as nice looking in person as in the graphic... I suggest finding one you can reach out and touch before buying. They're made almost everywhere.

A big issue for me is the deck attachment/backing plates. They tend to leak after a bit if not way over-done. Remember this is the fitting you'll likely be using if you ever need to get a tow; and maybe if you're giving a tow. My last boat literally had no backing plate at all, just small washers on the bolts. But it was the only deck leak I had, too, and quickly fixed.
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Old 03-11-2007, 22:04   #13
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But can you...

But can you pick up a dock line with one hand as the boat ghosts slowly forward, do a half hitch to a well positioned cleat, fix the other lines into position in a few seconds, then casually wander off?
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While sipping a cup of coffee. Sure, doesn't everyone. Except for the wondering off part. Usually have too many things to look after on the boat. The wandering off is sometimes delayed.LOL
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