KnottyBuoyz III - The Project Update

**knottybuoyz** · 01-06-2007, 08:45

After careful review of our present and future financial plans we've decided (89%) to delay the construction of our little trawler project for one more year. This will take a lot of pressure off of us as we've planned to build "out of pocket". Starting a year later means we won't "have" to sell our current boat. The downside is, things get more expensive every day. I've updated our project estimate and the worse case scenario has grown by $7K in 6 months.

http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/kbii/summary.htm

I know we'll do better than full retail prices but by how much, I don't know. Stay tuned!

DeepFrz · 01-06-2007, 09:14

Rick, are your figures for the 28' or 32'? By the way, exchange rate is now 1.06.

Thanks for posting this. It gives us dreamers a lot of information that may push some of us off our buts.

but...

**knottybuoyz** · 01-06-2007, 09:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by DeepFrz

Rick, are your figures for the 28' or 32'? By the way, exchange rate is now 1.06.

Thanks for posting this. It gives us dreamers a lot of information that may push some of us off our buts.

but...

Heya Frz

The basic design is 28' and we're dealing with the designer to stretch it 30" in length leaving the beam the same. The 32 probably comes from my previous 32' steel trawler project that got canned because of cost. Exchange rates fluctuate. I'll probably miss out on the higher rate when I'm ready to buy. Murphy's law.

**GordMay** · 01-06-2007, 14:10

Rick:
Call me for financial advice - then do the opposite.
I'm infallable - I ALWAYS buy high & sell low.
Cruised South in early 90's & got about 75 - 80 cents.
Returned North in '01 and got about $1.10.

Alan Wheeler · 01-06-2007, 14:28

Arrrr, your another that knows how to make a small fortune........by starting with a large one :-) I think I have to be the world expert on making small fortunes this way. Please feel free to ask advice from the best.

**knottybuoyz** · 01-06-2007, 20:24

Yeah, I come to a boating forum for the financial advice! Thnx fella's.

44'cruisingcat · 01-06-2007, 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alan Wheeler

Arrrr, your another that knows how to make a small fortune........by starting with a large one :-) I think I have to be the world expert on making small fortunes this way. Please feel free to ask advice from the best.

I'd love some advice Alan. How did you get the large fortune to start with?

**knottybuoyz** · 15-09-2007, 11:12

We picked up 4 Lewmar portlights off of e-Bay. Item #230111692976 for $59US each. West Marine lists similar size for $240US. Have been scanning e-Bay looking for stuff we'll need that are bargains when we stumbled across these. They're good quality. They've got 6 left and started with 100 a couple of months ago.

delmarrey · 15-09-2007, 11:38

Thanks Rick,

Just what I needed on the cockpit sides for ventalation

Alan Wheeler · 15-09-2007, 14:20

Quote:

I'd love some advice Alan. How did you get the large fortune to start with?

I have a wife that has a steady job, good pay and knows how to save. Me?? I'm the compleate opposite. Opposites attract.
Yep she's a keeper.

**knottybuoyz** · 15-09-2007, 15:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by delmarrey

Thanks Rick,

Just what I needed on the cockpit sides for ventalation

I saw that Del! Maybe I should ask Minney's for a commission eh?

delmarrey · 16-09-2007, 11:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by knottybuoyz

I saw that Del! Maybe I should ask Minney's for a commission eh?

Fat chance! You know capitalism. That's part of your discount.

Word of mouth makes better advertising.

**knottybuoyz** · 21-09-2007, 09:54

Do these need to be a solid shaft or is pipe ok?

Boat is a single diesel trawler, 40-50HP, 11,000 lbs.

Rudder will be NACA0012 profile, foam core composite. Inner structure will be 19.4oz per sq yd SAERMAX multiaxial carbon fiber and outer 1708 Biaxial F/G.

Heavily leaning towards bootlegging a design for an articulated rudder which might put a little more stress on the rudder post. Would a 1-1/4" 316L Sched 80 pipe work?

delmarrey · 21-09-2007, 10:31

I would go solid shaft on that one, the price is not that much different. The ratio between the rudder & shaft is too extreme . And hopefully it's supported at the base as well. If you were to go 2" SS pipe (2.5 OD) then I would think it OK. If the width were OK? But I'm no engineer either, just my opinion.

BTW My portlights came in yesterday. They'll work good!!

**knottybuoyz** · 21-09-2007, 10:41

Hey Del

I'm going to use a solid shaft for the upper portion above the flange and into the boat. New drawing attached.

I think the foil shape will only be about 2-1/4" at the widest part. Gotta check that. The articulated rudder can be support on the top and bottom and there's 2 attaching points each. The pictures I could find don't illustrate that very well and I can't seem to get AutoCad to draw a foil shape very well so I'm at a loss to be able to draw it myself.

Post some pics of the portlights when you get them in!

01-06-2007, 08:45	#1
knottybuoyz Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Boat: Sunray Mirage 25' Posts: 1,818 Images: 85	KnottyBuoyz III - The Project Update After careful review of our present and future financial plans we've decided (89%) to delay the construction of our little trawler project for one more year. This will take a lot of pressure off of us as we've planned to build "out of pocket". Starting a year later means we won't "have" to sell our current boat. The downside is, things get more expensive every day. I've updated our project estimate and the worse case scenario has grown by $7K in 6 months. http://www.ccg-gcc.gc.ca/kbii/summary.htm I know we'll do better than full retail prices but by how much, I don't know. Stay tuned! __________________ Yours Aye! Rick ~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~~^~^~^^~~^~^ "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief even denied to prayer." Mark Twain

01-06-2007, 14:10	#4
GordMay Administrator Site Administrator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Thunder Bay, Ontario - 48-29N x 89-20W Boat: C.L.O.D. (Cruiser Living On Dirt) Posts: 9,337 Images: 230	Rick: Call me for financial advice - then do the opposite. I'm infallable - I ALWAYS buy high & sell low. Cruised South in early 90's & got about 75 - 80 cents. Returned North in '01 and got about $1.10. __________________ Gord May ~~_/)_~~ (Gord & Maggie - "Southbound") "If you didn't have time/$ to do it right in the first place, when will you get the time/$ to fix it?"

01-06-2007, 14:28	#5
Alan Wheeler Registered User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Marlborough Sounds. New Zealand Boat: Hartley Tahitian 45ft. Leisure Lady Posts: 8,044 Images: 102	Arrrr, your another that knows how to make a small fortune........by starting with a large one :-) I think I have to be the world expert on making small fortunes this way. Please feel free to ask advice from the best. __________________ Wheels For God so loved the world..........He didn't send a committee.

01-06-2007, 20:24	#6
knottybuoyz Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Boat: Sunray Mirage 25' Posts: 1,818 Images: 85	Yeah, I come to a boating forum for the financial advice! Thnx fella's. __________________ Yours Aye! Rick ~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~~^~^~^^~~^~^ "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief even denied to prayer." Mark Twain

15-09-2007, 11:12	#8
knottybuoyz Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Boat: Sunray Mirage 25' Posts: 1,818 Images: 85	And so it begins We picked up 4 Lewmar portlights off of e-Bay. Item #230111692976 for $59US each. West Marine lists similar size for $240US. Have been scanning e-Bay looking for stuff we'll need that are bargains when we stumbled across these. They're good quality. They've got 6 left and started with 100 a couple of months ago. __________________ Yours Aye! Rick ~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~~^~^~^^~~^~^ "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief even denied to prayer." Mark Twain

01-06-2007, 09:14	#2
DeepFrz Registered User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Winnipeg Boat: None at this time Posts: 744	Rick, are your figures for the 28' or 32'? By the way, exchange rate is now 1.06. Thanks for posting this. It gives us dreamers a lot of information that may push some of us off our buts. but... __________________ The man who keeps faith with reality wants to act truthfully in the here and now, not to derive a secondhand here and now from a purpose. - Karl Jaspers

15-09-2007, 11:38	#9
delmarrey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Puget Sound, WA Boat: Choate 40 Posts: 3,431 Images: 115	Thanks Rick, Just what I needed on the cockpit sides for ventalation __________________ Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful!

21-09-2007, 09:54	#13
knottybuoyz Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Boat: Sunray Mirage 25' Posts: 1,818 Images: 85	Rudder post Do these need to be a solid shaft or is pipe ok? Boat is a single diesel trawler, 40-50HP, 11,000 lbs. Rudder will be NACA0012 profile, foam core composite. Inner structure will be 19.4oz per sq yd SAERMAX multiaxial carbon fiber and outer 1708 Biaxial F/G. Heavily leaning towards bootlegging a design for an articulated rudder which might put a little more stress on the rudder post. Would a 1-1/4" 316L Sched 80 pipe work? Attached Thumbnails __________________ Yours Aye! Rick ~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~~^~^~^^~~^~^ "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief even denied to prayer." Mark Twain

21-09-2007, 10:31	#14
delmarrey Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Puget Sound, WA Boat: Choate 40 Posts: 3,431 Images: 115	I would go solid shaft on that one, the price is not that much different. The ratio between the rudder & shaft is too extreme . And hopefully it's supported at the base as well. If you were to go 2" SS pipe (2.5 OD) then I would think it OK. If the width were OK? But I'm no engineer either, just my opinion. BTW My portlights came in yesterday. They'll work good!! __________________ Faithful are the Wounds of a Friend, but the Kisses of the Enemy are Deceitful!

21-09-2007, 10:41	#15
knottybuoyz Moderator Site Helper Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Canada Boat: Sunray Mirage 25' Posts: 1,818 Images: 85	Hey Del I'm going to use a solid shaft for the upper portion above the flange and into the boat. New drawing attached. I think the foil shape will only be about 2-1/4" at the widest part. Gotta check that. The articulated rudder can be support on the top and bottom and there's 2 attaching points each. The pictures I could find don't illustrate that very well and I can't seem to get AutoCad to draw a foil shape very well so I'm at a loss to be able to draw it myself. Post some pics of the portlights when you get them in! Attached Thumbnails __________________ Yours Aye! Rick ~^~^~^^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~^~~^~^~^^~~^~^ "Under certain circumstances, profanity provides a relief even denied to prayer." Mark Twain

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