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Old 24-12-2008, 03:10   #1
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Is that Asbestos in the Metho Stove Burner Tube ?

I was pulling apart the burners on a Maxie metho stove (2 burner) and noticed there is a wick of fine white fibers (asbestos or fiberglass) that must filter the fuel before it gets to the flame control valve.

Does anyone know if the fiber stuff is asbestos or fiberglass ?

The stove is an old one of unknown vintage 70's perhaps.
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It is unlikely it is asbestos and it is not possible to tell unless you remove it and have it analyzed under a proper polarized light microscope by someone who knows what they are looking at. If it is not friable, there is no harm in removing it.
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Old 24-12-2008, 10:54   #3
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Does anyone know if the fiber stuff is asbestos or fiberglass ?
I believe its fiberglass, just like those in kerosine heaters.
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As long as the stuff is wet, it's safe. Just leave it and don't tell anyone.
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Asbestos is only a problem if ground into a fine powder then snorted for an extended period of time. Even then, it may not be harmful if smoking cigarettes is not also involved. Asbestos is not a problem, otherwise.

We have wasted billions of dollars doing away with asbestos for no valid reason. Another waste of money brought to you by your local friendly ambulance chaser. You want safe asbestos, paint it.

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Thanks - I will wet it with metho before playing with it.

Merry Xmass !

It is 7.30 am here in Oz, been for a run in the hills around town and not a soul to be seen. Still Xmas Eve for a lot of you. Beat you to it

Though, the Kiwis beat us (but not in Cricket).
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Asbestos is only a problem if ground into a fine powder then snorted for an extended period of time. Even then, it may not be harmful if smoking cigarettes is not also involved. Asbestos is not a problem, otherwise.

We have wasted billions of dollars doing away with asbestos for no valid reason. Another waste of money brought to you by your local friendly ambulance chaser. You want safe asbestos, paint it.

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guess we can dig up thousands of bodies we thought were dead.
Never heard anyone equate mesothelomia prevention with paint.
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Old 24-12-2008, 15:35   #8
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The latest on asbestos health info:

Colombo the Asbestos Sleuth - WSJ.com

Is it dangerous? Yes--if you inhale large amounts over a long period of time. No--if you come into occasional contact.
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Never heard anyone equate mesothelomia prevention with paint.
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But there is a paint used on walls, and stuff, after asbestos has been removed. I have a 5 gal. bucket sitting 30 feet from me right now.

You wana buy it? It's for sale, most of the modern equipment now is clean. Don't need it any more.
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Mesothelioma is only associated with blue asbestos and can occur after only one contact. White asbestos can cause cancer with a fair bit more exposure- especially if allied with smoking. I tend to agree that people have gone overboard over white asbestos. Typical, complete denial for over 70 years and then complete overboard afterwards.
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Mesothelioma is only associated with blue asbestos and can occur after only one contact. White asbestos can cause cancer with a fair bit more exposure- especially if allied with smoking. I tend to agree that people have gone overboard over white asbestos. Typical, complete denial for over 70 years and then complete overboard afterwards.
White asbestos is lethal, precisely because many people believe the myth that it is safe, or safer.

Throughout the 1960s and 70s, the asbestos industry stressed the dangers of blue asbestos. Their reasoning was that blue asbestos fibres tend to be smaller, making it is easier for blue fibres to penetrate deep into the lungs.

The exact relationship, however, between size of fibre and the process of triggering a cancer is not known.

What is completely clear, is that white asbestos produces lung cancer, mesotheliomas, and asbestosis. It might be true that white asbestos does not produce as many mesotheliomas as blue and brown asbestos, and that it does not produce them in the stomach lining (the peritoneum). In that strictly academic sense it is "safer".

But it is irrelevant because most white asbestos is contaminated with other potentially more dangerous types, especially tremolite, which cannot be separated.

The four types of asbestos* that have been used in industry, to any material extent, the common chrysotile with its curly fibres and the three amphiboles (crocidolite, amosite and anthophyllite) with their straight ones, all produce pulmonary fibrosis, cancer of the lung, and mesotheliomas of the pleura and peritoneum in animal experiments.

In other words, both white and the less common types of asbestos, produce deadly diseases in man.

* Types of Asbestos
Asbestos minerals are divided into two main groups - serpentines and amphiboles – based on their fibre structure.

Serpentines:
Chrysotile (white asbestos) is made up of fine flexible white fibres, and is the only asbestos mineral in the serpentine group. It is the most common type used, accounting for approximately 95 percent of all asbestos found in buildings.

Amphiboles:
There are five types of asbestos in the amphibole group.
Amosite (brown asbestos) is made up of straight brown/grey fibres, and is the second most common type of asbestos found in building materials.
Crocidolite (blue asbestos) consists of straight blue fibres.
Anthophyllite, tremolite and actinolite are occasionally found as contaminants in asbestos-containing materials.
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My father-in-law died of mesothelioma this year. He was a pipefitter as a young man, and I am sure he got his exposure in that line of work.
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Hi Ribbony,
That stuff is not a filter and must be in place. It is part of the vaporising set up. It also helps to stop residual heat from going back to the tank......be carefull. I bought new burners for mine some time ago (aprox $130 each) at that time maxi was in receivership. I dont know what the material is if it is a very old unit (they have been making them for years). Or who the new owners are. Give them a ring and ask them.

My father died from mesothelioma..... Nasty way to go. Dont believe any crap about "safe" asbestos. It is completely safe until the doctor tells you you are going to die shortly..................
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Let's have a thread on asbestos to go with global warming.
Maybe one on DDT?

Nah.........let's stick to anchors.
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I will work on the worse case scenario put the mask on, gloves on, do it outdoors with the wick/filter soaked in metho.

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