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Old 05-11-2012, 12:07   #1
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HELP with antifouling!

I heard that another owner in the yard with us posted this as well a couple of weeks ago to no avail...

Here in Guaymas, MX one of the only antifouling options at the local paint stores is TransOcean (brand) Cleanship 2.95 Antifouling paint.

There is absolutely no info on the can and it has proven difficult to get info online either.

We need to make absolutely sure whether this paint is ablative or modified epoxy before we roll a couple more coats on the boat

Here is the only info in English that I found: www.ss-k.ru/upload/iblock/cce/transoceancleanship2.95-0.pdf

It seems to read like it's ablative... but the copper content is like 52%? and seems high for this type of paint.

Does anyone have any experience with this brand and type of paint and can tell me one way or the other if it is ablative or not?

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Old 05-11-2012, 12:13   #2
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Re: HELP with antifouling!

I must have powerful google.......

http://www.national-paints.com/np/up.../TO%202.95.pdf
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Re: HELP with antifouling!

Thanks Sailmonkey... but that's a link to the exact .pdf which I already posted.

Obviously I'm asking for more help from someone who understands the data sheet better than I do because the info there rings true of a description of both ablative and modified epoxy to my non-expert brain.

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"The surface is self-abrasive by a careful adjusted balance of hydrophobic and hydrophilic binders."
Someone else in the yard offered up a new idea that it is one of the newer 'self-polishing' semi-hard ablative paints of which I am unfamiliar. If indeed this is the case... can I paint it over a well sanded older coat of soft ablative with reasonable results?
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Re: HELP with antifouling!

OK wow... now just stumbled across a SailNet thread which references a West Marine table (which I found and studies first hand) stating that one can paint just about anything over sanded soft ablative paint with fine results... even hard modified-epoxy based antifouling??!!

I thought that was about the only hard (no pun intended) and fast rule out there... 'only soft ablative over soft ablative'. What a night!

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Re: HELP with antifouling!

Sounds ablative to me.

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Re: HELP with antifouling!

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I thought that was about the only hard (no pun intended) and fast rule out there... 'only soft ablative over soft ablative'.
As with so many things boat-related, just another wive's tale.
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Re: HELP with antifouling!

BTW What does the company mouthpiece say?

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Re: HELP with antifouling!

Well they speak only Dutch (I hear) and according to my mate across the yard who sent an email and then another two weeks ago... not much of anything I'd say.

Also... yes it does sound like ablative from that description I posted... but what about the 36-40 months? I've never seen ablative last that long!
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Re: HELP with antifouling!

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Well they speak only Dutch (I hear) and according to my mate across the yard who sent an email and then another two weeks ago... not much of anything I'd say.

Also... yes it does sound like ablative from that description I posted... but what about the 36-40 months? I've never seen ablative last that long!
If you have any document or email in Dutch you can send it to me and I will translate it for you.
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... but what about the 36-40 months? I've never seen ablative last that long!
This is a product designed for use primarily on large commercial vessels that are more-or-less constantly underway at relatively high rates of speed. I wouldn't expect the same performance on a sailboat.
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Also... yes it does sound like ablative from that description I posted... but what about the 36-40 months? I've never seen ablative last that long!
I'm into year three on ablative petit. But the the first two were cruising and year three is in a harbor that I'd bet is devoid of any dissolved oxygen,

I didn't realize the link I posted was the same as yours, yours went nowhere for me.
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Re: HELP with antifouling!

I have never seen ANY antifouling last as long as advertised, ablative or not. Maybe the big ship stuff lasts fine, but the 'yachting' line is all ... And one overpriced too.

Why not remove the old anti-f to the primer and apply the thing?

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