Originally Posted by Danibug
I'm sorry, I don't really think post #21 implies that those who find handrails useful are unable to think outside of the box. I'm quite sure that many people who like handrails (the majority here) are also capable of thinking outside of the box. What I was saying is often times in response to an "out of the box" or unfamiliar idea or question there can be a knee jerk reaction for people to say or recite what they have heard for all times without really taking a good hard look at what is being asked. Like for example saying that removing handrails will make a boat less safe, well that may or may not be true, it just depends.
And saying or implying that a boat will be safer with handrails, or needs this that or the other to be safe to me is walking a fine line of being so called "safe" and being overprotective. When you start saying things like "the handrails should stay because they make the boat safer" then I have to go onto to question why stop there? In that line of thinking why stop at just the handrails that are original to the boat, why not add more, adding more will probably make it safer right? Or is there a magic number, a magic placement of the handrails that make the ones in the original design the best? The comment about the bubble wrap is merely to show how slippery a slope this way of thinking can be.
And the consensus formed about Westsail owners is only from those that have commented here on the thread and on another group on Facebook I am on. I asked the same question there and overwhelmingly everyone says to keep the handrails except the 2 out of 3 Westsail 32 owners that said they had removed them and don't miss them or are about to remove them (have wanted to a long while).
Lastly in all honesty I was looking for everyone personal opinions on this topic. I do love a good debate but I didn't start this out to be that way and certainly not an argument, simply a nice discussion about handrails. I was surprised to hear actually from a few who are ok without the handrails and not surprised at all that most people use their handrails a lot and for other things as well. The thread so far is great and very helpful to me, and I will keep all those proponents of handrails in mind when I'm out sailing without the handrails and try to earnestly evaluate the safety
of the boat after they are removed, because I certainly don't want to be foolish and endanger myself by removing them. Which was the reason for this thread.
Didn't scour all your posts but went back and reread #21...thought it was reasonable and didn't suggest you were doing anything more than validating a thought you had about your handrails (validating well thought out ideas is what a lot of us use these forums
You saw my posts....in most design schools they teach 2 things....make it so it sells (and looks have a higher priority than function in too many cases)... and make it functional (which usually happens AFTER ther original design and the designer
learns what is used, not used, used differently, etc..etc. Which is what I posted...if there's a better place or where they are is not completely useless (as many have stated no seagoing boat can have enough safe grabholds) but not used in 90% of the boating
you do...then elimination or relocation might be in order...
If you really want to see an extreme in grab hold omission..look at Carolina Sportfishing boats...some of them barely have a toe rail let alone anything to grab while on the foredeck. Not my style...but lot's of people fish
those boats and anchor
in some nasty conditions.
Don't take the "pokers" too seriously...just gleen the info you are looking for and stay on target...of course unless you WANT to go on a head
hunting expedition and I have found while they can be fun...it's all lost
in the noise
seconds after you have your fun....