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Old 23-06-2014, 00:33   #91
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I had mine done with Formica when I hauled her out across the Straits. where's this wood shop you visited? I've half a mind to rip out my non functional galley and have it redone one fine day.

Anyway, enjoy seeing your progress, gives me impetus to continue with mine!
adding in a furler this week amongst other things, but my lil' sewing machine couldn't dent the reinforced sail head and tack that I tried to convert for furling. Hunting for some shop to finish up with the conversion, do you have any advice?

I'm envious when I see many forummers getting their hands wet with DIY!
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Old 23-06-2014, 03:24   #92
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I had mine done with Formica when I hauled her out across the Straits. where's this wood shop you visited? I've half a mind to rip out my non functional galley and have it redone one fine day.

Anyway, enjoy seeing your progress, gives me impetus to continue with mine!
adding in a furler this week amongst other things, but my lil' sewing machine couldn't dent the reinforced sail head and tack that I tried to convert for furling. Hunting for some shop to finish up with the conversion, do you have any advice?

I'm envious when I see many forummers getting their hands wet with DIY!
What yard are you located in? I am at CSC.

I haven't done or heard of anyone converting a sail for furler use. The sail loft at CSC was a Qantum loft and I had my 150 genny made by them at the time. The loft is now run by Alice and I am blanking on who she is afifliated with. She takes on all kids of jobs, sail wise and has made canvas repairs for me on a few occasions.

For the mechanical part there is also a guy running a shop out there. Seems to know his stuff.

BTW - where did you get the Formica? That was what I originally had planned. I have 1/4 ply faced with thick 3M paper now but I am skeptical on how it will hold up.
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Old 23-06-2014, 03:38   #93
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formica I believe you can get for around 50sgd a sheet (depending on quality). should be available in many cabinetry workshops scattered around sungei kadut, one of them made me the missing door with formica for 20bucks out of ply he had lying around. I had mine provided by the yard doing my small refit.

She's back in the water now, moored at CSC. I'm planning to fit the furler, tied up to the pontoon (wish me luck) this sunday.

If it's convenient for you, could you PM me Alice's number? I bought a Sailrite luff tape conversion kit, and spent a few hours converting my genoa until I hit a brick wall... haha...
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I bought some Formica sheets in Depot lane but could not, for my life, remember the shop. It's some time ago. There are a few furniture shops there too and they might sell you some. Also, in Choa Chu Kang near Pending there use to be wood supplier that had outstanding marine ply and they may stock it too. Again, some time ago so google it first.
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I bought some Formica sheets in Depot lane but could not, for my life, remember the shop. It's some time ago. There are a few furniture shops there too and they might sell you some. Also, in Choa Chu Kang near Pending there use to be wood supplier that had outstanding marine ply and they may stock it too. Again, some time ago so google it first.
I always tell people maintaining a boat in Singapore is like treasure bunting.

When you find the street where the canvas guys are there's20 shops.

When you find "Formica Street" - there it is...

Google is not always your friend. A lot of these "little old Chinese man" shops are run by guys who don't even have a computer - LOL.

I found one upholstery shop "8 cushion" thank God they had what I can use.

The other thread has a couple more hints in some of the early posts. If the 3M stuff turns out crappy I'll go treasure hunting again...
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Corner of Townshend Rd and Jln Berseh. They sell sheets 8x4. You need to order them in advance.

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Corner of Townshend Rd and Jln Berseh. They sell sheets 8x4. You need to order them in advance.

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Great - cheers mate - I will check them out tomorrow.
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Sorting Out the Backend

Doug is great. He is a decent mechanic and helps out most Saturday mornings. I save the technical work for when he is available. Also because a lot will go on "inside" the boat I like to do an external project every couple of weeks so people don't think nothing is going on - LOL

So today I had close up the back end of the bumper strip and hang the rudder.

Go back to (OMFG) August 12, 2012! That's when my buddy with a machine shop rebuilt the lower pintle and upper bracket! Almost 2 years ago when I thought the haulout would take a few weeks - LOL...

Finally bribed Josh to come to the boat by offering a salary - chipped in hanging the rudder but spent most of the day cleaning the interior and getting ready for the build phase.

Tomorrow he is bringing a buddy and we hope to spend most of the day doing the cabin mock up.
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Tried to get some better shots of the paint job but an iPhone in the bright sun isn't conducive to high quality photos...

The first photo gives an idea of my white with blue trim concept. Stained wood is fine but I think painted trim along with Formica counters and cabinetry inside will give a 1981 boat a much more contemporary look.

This photo also shows the cubby where the engine panel sits - the trim ring around that was molded fiberglass and is broken up. I have been treasure hunting for bulb seal and think I may finally have a line on some - gotta go investigate this week. I considered making them from ply but I don't think I would get them consistent without better woodworking tools.

Wasn't happy with the paint I used so these will get stripped and repainted down the road a bit when I get to painting the interior trim.
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Maybe a Glitch in the Plan

So as part of the design phase I combed the internet for as many Maxi photos as I could find.

The first photo shows kinda what I want - As open as possible all the way through the v-berth with a privacy curtain. In fact the port side would be best with no bulkhead at all. The starboard side would be where the head is and the intention is that bulkhead to be half height with a curtain.

Then I saw photos 2 and 3 - I thought that's a weird decorating idea to take out the bulkhead and put in posts. But it struck me. Maybe this guy was worried about deck flexing!

So photo 4 is the original bulkhead - it was fiberglassed in at the top and screwed to a strong point with 3 screws. At the bottom there were 3 screws in a strong point but not glassed. The bulkhead was shot but I figure it definitely supported the deck.

Photo 5 is after removal. On a boat getting up to the v-berth is a negotiation around the table, turn sideways between the bulkheads (not shoulder width for me) and then climb over the head. If someone is in the v-berth there is even more hilarity!

The last photo is a shot of the spot where I cut out eh bulkhead.

I had Josh bounce up and down there and it does flex about 1/4-3/8 inch and he's about 140lbs. The maxi hull is thick in general and this is not cored.

So what say you all - posts or no posts? Actually a post on the starboard side would be OK because I have the head cubicle being built there. If not a post on port what about the bulkhead in photo 1?
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The Head Revealed!

So I've talked about moving the head and I found someone who did it.

Here is how it's done. The only difference is instead of a full bulkhead I am going half height - around shoulder high with a curtain.

This is also where I am thinking to install the forward electrical distribution panel.

I actually hadn't considered the cover box but it's a nice feature. Especially when you consider you head is 12 inches from the head when you are sleeping - LOL
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Be careful when changing bulkheads. Most builders will tell you that you can modify your interior but the bulkheads have to remain in place. They are of course structural components, not only for the deck but also in the distribution of stress from the standing rigging and mast loads.
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Thanks Phil,

Just forward of the galley are a couple of rods in photo #1.

On the Maxi forums I've found - mostly in swedish some owners take these out or don't fix them when they break. These connect to the chain plates and carry rig loads to a hard point in the hull chine.

Mine broke and I made them thicker. My thinking was if they break they must be corroding and carrying pretty good loads!

They bulkheads however were 1/4 ply and the starboard one was rotted out at the bottom. I know I am trying talk myself out of bulkhead need but I gotta noodle this some more and remain "impartial."
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The Maxis may be built differently than a cruiser (well, of course they are but I mean in bulkhead structures). Its possible the bulkheads aren't structural items but more "room dividers". Any chance you could contact the designer or builder?
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I've heard tell of people contacting Pelle Petterson - he's like 80 something now. I did make an attempt to get a read on the chain plate through rods but it never came to fruition.

The maxi is hell for stout but I have to admit to myself that the deck does flex with a 140 pounder up there. I forgot (it was getting late) to go up and bounce around myself Will do that today.

I don't think the cabin is gonna fly off but repeated flexing could lead to a crack eventually. This is a pretty busy area of the deck - mast, spin pole, hoist/lower etc. It's not the cockpit but it's the second busiest deck space on the boat.

My initial thinking is the port side "C" shape bulkhead in 3/4 ply and the starboard 1/2 height bulkhead with post - The starboard post is OK for me as it will also allow a place to attach a forward grabhold.
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