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Old 12-02-2016, 15:06   #61
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

If you cannot understand that solder cannot go INSIDE a solid conductor, I'll leave you to your own misery.
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

AFAIK every soldering guide or instruction I have ever seen, calls for a mechanical connection (even if that is twisted wires) before soldering is done. So a plain "soldered" connection, if properly done, should have some mechanical connection underlying it, not just a wire alongside another wire.
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If you cannot understand that solder cannot go INSIDE a solid conductor, I'll leave you to your own misery.
If you can't understand it can pass between adjacent strands, or between wire and lug, I'll leave you to yours.
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Old 12-02-2016, 15:33   #64
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

I just might for splitting out runs to multiple end points. They look so giant in the pictures then you see one in someone's hand, funny!

Two questions:
1) Do you need their ungodly expensive tool for anything?
2) Can/did you mount the connector itself to something, or is it enough to just continue to support the wire on either side like you're supposed to anyway?

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May want to try these Wago 222 connectors.

They are rated for 600volts, but are used for 12 volts also.
They are simple and fast to use and also reusable.
They were on my boat for both 110 and 12 volts wiring and it makes it very easy to tie in new stuff.
They sell them online. I found some on ebay.
They have three different models
222-412 2 Port
222-413 3 Port
222-415 5 Port

Have been using them for over 10 years on my boat with no problems. You can use them at home also.
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

For others who are open to learning, here is an image of the cross-section of both over and under-crimped cable lugs. Proper crimping forges the individual conductors and terminal into a solid mass which cannot absorb solder. Heat shrink tubing is then used to seal the connector to the insulator.

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For others who are open to learning, here is an image of the cross-section of both over and under-crimped cable lugs. Proper crimping forges the individual conductors and terminal into a solid mass which cannot absorb solder. Heat shrink tubing is then used to seal the connector to the insulator.

Don't want to bust you're bubble, but see all the gaps between strands there? And that's done with hydraulic crimping on a big cross sectional area fine strand cable. It has no more fused into a solid mass then simply been compressed tightly together.

Besides, you know, that I know, that you know that doesn't apply to the vast, vast majority of crimp connections pertaining to this discussion.

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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

There's nothing like a crimp vs. solder thread to bring the hacks out of the woodwork.


There's a right way to do this and several wrong ways. You don't have to follow the ABYC recommendations on your own boat but if you were working for me, I would fire you if you didn't. These people know what they are talking about.
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There's nothing like a crimp vs. solder thread to bring the hacks out of the woodwork.


There's a right way to do this and several wrong ways
. You don't have to follow the ABYC recommendations on your own boat but if you were working for me, I would fire you if you didn't. These people know what they are talking about.
I for one, am all ears. Let's hear it.
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Yep, I started this and do somewhat regret it... I thought I was getting to know most of the flame bait topics but this one snuck by me

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I just might for splitting out runs to multiple end points. They look so giant in the pictures then you see one in someone's hand, funny!

Two questions:
1) Do you need their ungodly expensive tool for anything?
2) Can/did you mount the connector itself to something, or is it enough to just continue to support the wire on either side like you're supposed to anyway?
No tools needed when using the Wago 222 or 221
No mounting needed
Just stick the wire in the hole and close the orange lever. Done

They also carry and new smaller one called Wago 221 in the same 3 sizes and is 40% smaller.
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

Someone posted the AYBC doesn't in fact disallow solder in connections. If that is true it contradicts every post on that issue I have read in the past.

If it is true then the whole crimp v. solder debate is not about those recommendations supporting crimps only. But rather how the methods are used and the pros and cons of each.
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Someone posted the AYBC doesn't in fact disallow solder in connections. If that is true it contradicts every post on that issue I have read in the past.

If it is true then the whole crimp v. solder debate is not about those recommendations supporting crimps only. But rather how the methods are used and the pros and cons of each.
People get hung up on the notion that soldering is bad regardless. If you do it the way ABYC specifically notes, yes that is bad. As to the original request, to me, that's either a solder job if the third wire needs to come off the main wire (yes, I know there are special machine crimps that can be used) or simply just twist all three wires together and crimp into a suitable sized lug.

For what it's worth, as I read it, ABYC E-11 doesn't explicitly disallow scotchlocks. So I guess in the opinion of some, these would be fine for joining wires on a boat.
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Hacks will always be hacks.
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Hacks will always be hacks.
Not sure what your quals are, Terra, but I can guarantee you I aint no hack.
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Easy. I'm a professional boat builder--you are a hack.
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