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Old 13-02-2016, 14:15   #136
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Dude, lighten up. I'm not even in this debate (other than reading the whole thread) and I can see you are being an ass. Get a hobby or something. Nobody likes an internet tough guy.

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Old 13-02-2016, 15:00   #137
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Dude, lighten up. I'm not even in this debate (other than reading the whole thread) and I can see you are being an ass. Get a hobby or something. Nobody likes an internet tough guy.

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That tends to happen when I get called a hack. Rwidman's silence speaks volumes. I'm more than happy to debate the issue but name calling offends me immensely.

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That tends to happen when I get called a hack. Rwidman's silence speaks volumes. I'm more than happy to debate the issue but name calling offends me immensely.

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It doesn't "speak" anything.

You and I both know that you are not going to convince me of anything and I am not going to convince you of anything. Everything that can be said on this subject has already been posted and there's no point in repeating it.

Somebody has to be adult enough to end this argument and it will be me. If you think you "won" because I won't continue, so be it. You're a winner.
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The Wago 222 Lever-Nut metal parts are hard to file and seem to be Stainless Steel with some magnetism to them. ...
Stainless steel is a very poor choice for an electrical conductor. If these are magnetic, they are unsuited for marine use.

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Thanks for the input, after sorting through all the debate I have adjusted my plans quite significantly.

So you prefer separate connector and separate heat shrink tubing over one piece heat shrink connector?

I was thinking with good stripper (get your mind out of the gutter!!) like the Klein 11063W:


and good crimper, either Ancor 703010:

.. or the FTZ 94130 Compass Marine recommends:



... then I could use the Ancor adhesive heat shrink terminals which are pretty readily available:


But will research bare terminals and heat shrink tubing some more... different style crimper though...

Main hope is, as always, to not have to redo anything... there's plenty do once without doing it again!
These are precisely the correct tools and are what I use (except for the FTZ). But I recommend using the plain, insulated terminals, as are found in most yacht electrical systems. And adding shrink sleeves for the ones in wet environments, like bilge pumps. The ratcheting crimpers will do a fine job.
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

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Thanks for the input, after sorting through all the debate I have adjusted my plans quite significantly.

So you prefer separate connector and separate heat shrink tubing over one piece heat shrink connector?

I was thinking with good stripper (get your mind out of the gutter!!) like the Klein 11063W:


and good crimper, either Ancor 703010:

.. or the FTZ 94130 Compass Marine recommends:



... then I could use the Ancor adhesive heat shrink terminals which are pretty readily available:


But will research bare terminals and heat shrink tubing some more... different style crimper though...

Main hope is, as always, to not have to redo anything... there's plenty do once without doing it again!
Storing this gear on a boat? My humble advice is to ditch the automatic strippers and go for a decent pair of these guys...



They require a fraction more skill, but not much and a good pair will last forever. I have a German made chrome vanadium set I purchased around 35 years ago and have used many thousands of times. They are still as good as they day I brought them.
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I would stay away from all the above tools for the reasons mentioned in the post.

cheeper model strippers or the single action ones like the top tend to be more prone to wear and inconsistancy, ***note unless you build panels for a living it is better to strip a longer amount and cut to length once stripped, you can test fit to ensure the correct length, and good set of strippers with sharp cutters will cut bare stranded wire evenly without making a mess. I don't really trust the ratching style crimpers for anything other than straight farels or stake ons used in panels, which would be rare on a small boat. I also tend to stay away from the DIN stye flat spring connection terminals as I have seen far to many fail IE wires pulled out.

These models are what I use at work, as long as you refrain from cutting things with current and things not ment to be cut with them they last a very long time, very sharp and the pivot point is more rugged than cheeper ones, which is how they tend to fail.

https://www.grainger.com/product/KLE...Stripper-4A855

https://www.grainger.com/product/KLE...AS01?$smthumb$


For crimpers this style is very good, same thing lasts a long time etc.

https://www.grainger.com/product/CHA...AS01?$smthumb$

I really like the heat shrink terminals pictured above they are a great way to go, but not always availible and if given a choice I prefer the uninsulated crimp.

For large crimpers 8g up to 4-0 a low cost off brand rotory index set is fine as they will most likely not be used much. You can do the same greasy sock trick as for large bolt cutters for the rig E-kit, to keep them protected and turnign into a rust ball. I bought a set from fishries supply
***For clarity the above and previous post by me are not intended as gospel procedure rather a simplfied method for non-professionals who will be cruising and not have consistant access to marine electrical supplies or harware, to be able to do consistant and safe work.
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Hey buddy, how's proving me wrong going for you?

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Oh don't worry about it. He was just taking another cheap shot at me. You know the saying...do you want to be right or do you want to be happy. As you can tell...he's always right...so...
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

I use this style of wire stripper and crimper:



I wore out several during my working days as an electronic technician. I had a set of the automatic ones pictured above but unless I was going to strip dozens of wires, I just reached for what I had in my tool belt (above).

I will say that there is some skill involved in using them and not nicking the actual wire. The machine screw cutting feature is nice also.
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

There is a big difference between the crimp tools shown so far, and an actual pro quality crimp tool. A huge difference. The Molex ones cost about $400 (over here anyway), but for about $250 you get something like this:

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with appropriate die sets.

Which can be calibrated, and has real replaceable dies.

The same Swedish company makes a really, really good cut/strip tool:

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You can replace the jaws.

This is what I use, but there are other good ones.

There's nothing like doing this with good tools.
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DH--those are not the tools used by professionals around here.
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Old 13-02-2016, 20:39   #146
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Wago style connectors - corrosion?

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The Wago 222 Lever-Nut metal parts are hard to file and seem to be Stainless Steel with some magnetism to them. Maybe a SS304

Here is a Wago 222 under extreme conditions (120 amps)
You can see the Wago is fine but the wires are COOKED.
These Wago's look potentially quite useful, especially for non-permanent connections. Of course, if they work well, even permanent ones.

However, a big question about connectors in the high-humidity (salt-laden too) atmosphere in a boat: WILL THESE WAGO'S CORRODE?

Anybody with long term experience of them in a boat, how did they stand up?

Or, alternatively, anybody knows whether the metal parts (including screws) are Brass rather than plated Iron/Steel?

I ask because in the past I have used screw-terminal connectors that stand up well in a house but corrode badly when used in a boat.
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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

Regarding the question about how these Wago connectors hold up: Our boat was built in 2008 and sailed by the original owners from Maine in NE USA to the Caribbean and on to the South Pacific returning to their home port of San Francisco, USA in 2012. We then bought the boat and moved it up to our home in the Pacific Northwest. Since being built the boat has had a lot of exposure to high humidity and a marine environment. The builder used these Wago connectors fairly extensively and I have recently done a major electrical / instrument refit and inspected dozens of them. Not one had any corrosion, and I would not hesitate to use them.

A tip I learned from a marine electrician is to protect the wire and connector by applying a bit of grease with dielectric properties before making the connection. Because the contact pressures are pretty high in these types of connections, the grease doesn't interfere with the conductivity, but will protect from corrosion. At his recommendation I use Super Lube, but there are many choices.
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The Wago 222 Lever-Nut metal parts are hard to file and seem to be Stainless Steel with some magnetism to them. Maybe a SS304

Here is a Wago 222 under extreme conditions (120 amps)
You can see the Wago is fine but the wires are COOKED.

Wow. That's tough stuff. I'm sold.
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Stainless steel is a very poor choice for an electrical conductor. If these are magnetic, they are unsuited for marine use.



These are precisely the correct tools and are what I use (except for the FTZ). But I recommend using the plain, insulated terminals, as are found in most yacht electrical systems. And adding shrink sleeves for the ones in wet environments, like bilge pumps. The ratcheting crimpers will do a fine job.
Why is it a poor choice? Why are they unsuited?

One line answers don't help in discussion, can you please elaborate?
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Regarding the question about how these Wago connectors hold up: Our boat was built in 2008 and sailed by the original owners from Maine in NE USA to the Caribbean and on to the South Pacific returning to their home port of San Francisco, USA in 2012. We then bought the boat and moved it up to our home in the Pacific Northwest. Since being built the boat has had a lot of exposure to high humidity and a marine environment. The builder used these Wago connectors fairly extensively and I have recently done a major electrical / instrument refit and inspected dozens of them. Not one had any corrosion, and I would not hesitate to use them.

A tip I learned from a marine electrician is to protect the wire and connector by applying a bit of grease with dielectric properties before making the connection. Because the contact pressures are pretty high in these types of connections, the grease doesn't interfere with the conductivity, but will protect from corrosion. At his recommendation I use Super Lube, but there are many choices.
Fantastic to hear that, thanks for the information about these.

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Re: Ever used 3 way connectors?

I need to split of some wire I have run for 12V adapt/USB plugs on my boat. It is a cat, it was easy to mount plugs on the side where the battery and breakers are, but I need a run across the hull to the other pontoon. So I was going to post asking about 3 way connectors, the only ones I have seen are the Y ones that the author has posted in post 1.

Google being my friend, I found this post. There are 10 pages with 148 posts, about 10 being about multi connection joins, the rest being solder vs crimp discussions and flames.

I perserved, found the info on the Wagos, couldn't find them on Amazon except for 50 packs, but I have an account at Newark Electronics where they are about $0.50 each and reasonable shipping.

If you want to join up some wires, this thread does have good info, it is too bad it is polluted with OT discussions. Just wondering if the mods can leave the relevant posts and strip out the solder vs. crimp stuff into its own thread. This way others who want the topical info from this thread can get to it and not get discouraged by the length of OT posts. My 2c.
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Wago 221 Lever Nuts

jbinbi,

The Wago 221 Lever Nuts are Awesome.

I have used the Wago 222 on my other catamaran for 7 years with no worries.

Now I purchased a bunch of the newer Wago 221 Lever Nuts.

Never see any corrosion at all.

Used them for my water pump and sump pumps in the bilges.
They make testing or swapping out pumps a breeze.

All the French Catamarans have been using these for many, many years with no issues.
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