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Old 25-03-2011, 07:12   #16
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Re: Epoxy glass an old classic ketch??

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Hi... I did something similar to my first boat...
An old Magyar 7 with oak frames and strip planked pitch pine... she'd been on the hard for years and had been abandoned...
I sanded back the hull then caulked the seams well with hemp.. then applied 3 liberal coats of West epoxy... she looked lovely when I'd finished.
When we parted company 3yrs later she was still looking great and no problems...
I agree that glassing strip plank construction is a good idea; it's nailed and glued already and a finished strip planker is much like a glass hull anyway. I've done it with a Laurent Giles sloop and it's never been a problem.

But with carvel? While I have seen it done and it seems to hold (against my expectations), it's just a lousy thing to do to a classic vessel imo.
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Old 25-03-2011, 07:31   #17
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There is a 90+ year old boat that several decades ago became a winter project (just to keep the yards employees busy). The aged hull was not worth the cost of a proper repair..being way to costly, so here is what they did... 1st: The hull was taken down to bare wood. 2nd: They purchased a 55gallon drum of 3M 5200. 3rd: They troweled the 5200 onto the hull (a small section at a time) very thick. 4th: They used a product call C-Flex which was then monel stapled into the goop...the excess 5200 was then scraped off. 5th: When the entire hull was done it was made fair, using thickened vinyl ester. Its been decades and the boat looks " like new money "
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Old 25-03-2011, 13:27   #18
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Re: Epoxy glass an old classic ketch??

I'll bet she sits quite a bit lower in the water.
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Thanks Guys and Girls.
Yes, you are right. I do know the right thing to do but your opinions are valued. I still might edge-bond the planks with epoxy but I do not think glassing the boat is a really good option.
I have already forsaken the teak decking which was too far gone to save. I ripped up the teak and laid plywood with a non-slip surface. It does look good now and the boat is several degrees cooler inside.
I have attached a few photos that show the previous work I have done.
I keep the boat in Mexico and the climate there takes its toll with a vengence!
I would not epoxy between the planks for when the boat is back in the water and the planks swell the ribs will be then under stress and may break.I would and have splined a carvel hull using a circular saw with 2 blades between the planks,then kingbilly pine inserts pinned and glue this timber is very light and very soft so the planks can swell.You could use any very soft timber that the planks can compress.
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Re: Epoxy glass an old classic ketch??

Our experience with glassing wood hulls was a bit different... ours was a vintage ChrisCraft made of evil ply... but still, my dad was sick of repairing it so he had it glassed, and 3 years later that boat was DOTW... just ruined her... Something about wood expansion, cracking along seams and once the wet got in it couldn't get out?

I wouldn't...

And I say that after spending a week last fall re-caulking, sanding, fairing and painting a friend's Holiday 32...
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And I say that after spending a week last fall re-caulking, sanding, fairing and painting a friend's Holiday 32...
I'm starting work on my 21 when I get back 2nd week of April...
Don't suppose your free...??
Need the bottom doing

PS: Nearly typed 'my' then thought it may be 'Dubious'
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*snicker snort*

Nope, not free. Easy maybe, but never FREE!
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Hi... I did something similar to my first boat...
An old Magyar 7 with oak frames and strip planked pitch pine... she'd been on the hard for years and had been abandoned...
I sanded back the hull then caulked the seams well with hemp.. then applied 3 liberal coats of West epoxy... she looked lovely when I'd finished.
The interior upto the waterline I painted with 3 coats of specialised bilge paint then a couple of weeks before launch I lined the bottom with old newspaper and then soaked it well with seawater and left to stand with an occasional re soak to keep her well wetted.
When we parted company 3yrs later she was still looking great and no problems...
dry inside and I did not have to worry about gribble eating the timber any more..
Gribble? You plasticated an entire vessel to avoid gribble? ROFL

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Hey... come on it was my first boat of any kind and I was young and into the latest "In Stuff".....
If I could buy a simple scanner in Portugal I'd post the results and maybe you not scoff... the Gribble was a tongue in cheek aside...
Should know by now everyone on here takes things 'Boat' over seriously...
This life also has a lot of humour... if you let it..
And I did not glass it... just epoxy which is synthetic resin... so as far as I was concerned re manufacturers specs I was reinforcing the existing resin in the pitch pine...
Also before anyone chime in about fresh water rot... why do you think I 'Salted' her pre launch.... and once a year there after when out for antifouling...
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