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Old 08-04-2012, 05:23   #16
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go titanium
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:30   #17
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

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Hey, this is a dream, not a bloody fantasy. Where the heck an I going to find the money for titanium?

Come on now, sensible comments please.
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:46   #18
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Hey, this is a dream, not a bloody fantasy. Where the heck an I going to find the money for titanium?

Come on now, sensible comments please.
you posted a cat >180 feet, so where's the line between dream and fantasy for you as I don't understand where to draw it
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:51   #19
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Hey, I thought that "Hemisphere" was a serious dream.
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Old 08-04-2012, 05:52   #20
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

The difference is whether its actually doable. The whole idea of having a dream is so it can come true.

A fantasy is more mythical in origin and for the most part, fantasies are what happen and stay in ones head
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:39   #21
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

Titanium has dropped significantly in price now the the old USSR is a free market player.

I might be able do you a deal on a project ship that I know about in Italy; it s real doer upper and has (had?) most of the features you want. You need to find a new captain however.
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:42   #22
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

Ive just lost 2 years of my life to a project and I will never get them back, so im thinking it has to be a turn key dream.

But, im always interested in looking at stuff, just cos its interesting
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Old 08-04-2012, 06:51   #23
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

Michael Kasten has written numerous excellent articles on metal boats
Articles by Michael Kasten - Kasten Marine Design, Inc.

Including:
http://www.kastenmarine.com/_pdf/mbqMetRef.pdf
Aluminum Strength vs Steel Strength
Aluminum For Boats
Is Steel Too Heavy...?
Metal Boats For Blue Water - Kasten Marine Design, Inc.
and many more ...
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

Why the fixation on metal? I have helped build a number of very large "dream boats" in the 10-40 million range, all in fiberglass. Most very large yachts out there are fiberglass. It's a perfectly capable medium for construction in very large boats, and frankly I'd much rather go that route even for very high lattitude cruising, after having seen the results when glass and steel boats get holes in them. I'd think as long as you are dreaming big, performance would also be an issue. A carbon fiber hull will help you acheive that. Do you have any idea of the maintenance requirements for a 180' steel hull? I know it's a dream and that can include a maintenance crew, but believe me it's a ridiculous amount of work. When I worked on Rupert Murdoch's boat the full time maintenance crew was about 30 guys who travel with the boat and never stop painting steel. It's 280' though.
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

But your rtw: which way do you want it to be?

A coconut milk run? Sub-polar areas? I would use an alloy boat for the easy sail downwind - it may be built lighter and sail easier/faster. I would use thick alloy or equivalent steel for the sub-polar thing.

If Sunreef is the thing built in Poland than skip them: I have seen a 1 y.o. one last year which already developed white death bubbles in the chainplate area. You do not want a boat that asks maintenance this quick if you want to sail a rtw.

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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

I still like metal. Some alloys with Nickel never require bottom paint. Just a thought. I would rather sail a 35 footer that never needed maintenance than a 100 footer that required a full time crew...
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

I like things like Cigale for a dream easy rtw.
http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...ASlKcOmzJ_Ryg4

I would dream for a Bestevaer for the polar regions.
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Old 08-04-2012, 11:08   #28
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

I doubt there are many 1000t GRP ships out there.

And that brings the next question. 1000t needs a good anchor, or several, and a mile of chain.
So whats it to be?
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

I'd take a Royal Huisman over a Perini Navi any day. Unless it was the Maltese Falcon, of course! Gotta love dreaming big.
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Re: Dreams - make them good and make them big.

Assumptions happen automatically at times. when Anjou is talking big, ship size, steel etc and currently has a barge; I have assumed motor vessel and no sails.

So is it M/V Big Dreamship or S/V Big Dreamship?
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