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Old 15-08-2013, 09:06   #1
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Don't be a S#*tty sailor/owner... Maintain your hull...

I recently picked up a 22' trailer sailor for puttering around on the local lakes... I happened to be in the right place (a casino bar) at the right time (being served by a non sailing wife) who mentioned that her husband was selling his boat for an extraordinarily reasonable sum...

After a quick inspection, all looked good (he was CG aux), and she should be filling her sails with a week of cleanup and very minor fiddling... When I hauled the boat, I was APPALLED..... I had never seen a hull so laden with hard growth in all my life...

Well... there was no way I was going to drop this in a lake with possible parasite growth, so a full power washing/scraping/barrier coating/bottom job was in order... NOT TO BE.... After the power washes, acid washes, and scraping... It turned out the growth was so bad that it penetrated the gelcoat, cracking it and lifting it from the glass... I estimate over 1,000 locations, 300+ with significant glass damage underneath the gelcoat...

The right way to do things was just like blister repair, grind out the damaged glass, dry out, epoxy fill, fair, barrier coat, bottom coat...

Oh how I lost sleep dreaming about taking a shortcut...
This guy ====>
Almost had me convinced to barrier and bottom job only.... I'm talking a silly LOW COST trailer lake boat that would be on the trailer as much as sitting in a slip.... I would get plenty of years out of it for 1/10 the cost and work... But I would know....

I couldn't do it... I had to do the repair the right way... It's just who I am... Sometimes I hate myself for being this way... BUT... Thank god I'll never do this with one of the big boats!

Don't be a shi**y sailor....
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Old 15-08-2013, 09:10   #2
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Re: Don't be a S#*tty sailor/owner... Maintain your hull...

You miss the SURVEYOR step in the whole deal!! and to haul out the boat before drop some cash? Leason learned!!!
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Old 15-08-2013, 09:27   #3
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You miss the SURVEYOR step in the whole deal!! and to haul out the boat before drop some cash? Leason learned!!!
Neil... 4th current boat... bought for $1k... including a HD 2 axle trailer... When I need surveyors, I use them... I knew the growth was there, just never imagined it was to the glass...

This was a post more about the consequences of hull neglect, as well as proper repairs....

I think I'm pretty far ahead still... Don't you???
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So you got a great deal on the boat and now you are pissed that it is taking a lot of work to make it right?
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Hey MDR, congratulations on the great new boat. You see a lot of stuff like that in Florida of all places. In Cape Coral I would estimate maybe a third of boats were like that. Such a shame. Well good luck you about have her licked now.
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Some understand the point, others don't.

I for one admire your principled approach.

I have become frustrated, and/or to tired while doing a R&R to the point of
saying hell with it lets go the faster way. Only to wake up at 2 or 3 AM and
crawl my tired ass to said project to do it the best/and hopefully the correct way. Then go sleep much sounder.

Nothing like blood, sweat, and cussing to bond with the object of ones affection.
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Old 15-08-2013, 09:54   #7
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So you got a great deal on the boat and now you are pissed that it is taking a lot of work to make it right?
Noooooo..... Not one bit pissed...

Just pointing put that neglecting simple routine maintenance can lead to VERY expensive repairs if this needed to be repaired professionally... This was a case of severe neglect... And is simply not sailor-like at all...
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USCG Aux is a social club for retired power boaters with too much time on their hands.

In San Diego the police had the same thing: RSVP (Retired Senior Volunteer Patrol). They drove around in cruisers with amber lights being busy bodies.

The hilarious thing was that they basically stayed in the neighborhoods that didn't need any policing, and wouldn't be caught dead in the true (and relatively few) sketchy areas of town.
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Go negative, and go early.

Seems to me he's not pissed at all, just reporting, and maybe somewhat disappointed in the previous owner for his lack of care.

Those pics are worth more than a thousand words about the results of
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Re: Don't be a S#*tty sailor/owner... Maintain your hull...

Yeah, these things happen, You roll the dice at $1000. I assume there was no bottom paint on it at all and that is the result?
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Hey MDR, congratulations on the great new boat. You see a lot of stuff like that in Florida of all places. In Cape Coral I would estimate maybe a third of boats were like that. Such a shame. Well good luck you about have her licked now.

I guess it's my exposure and experience with the marinas on the left coast... Only the few derelict boats in anchorage are like this... I have no experience with FL waters... YET!!!! (soon) Mine as well as most have regular bottom scrubbing... $30/mo for every other week... CHEAP!!!
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Well is a small boat, not a big deal, some epoxy and done, okey you never imagined the real condition, what im trying to say is, what happen if instead of some fail gelcoat spots and blisters you found a long structural crack or something more serious?? 1000$ can be easy 10000$ ....
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USCG Aux is a social club for retired power boaters with too much time on their hands.

In San Diego the police had the same thing: RSVP (Retired Senior Volunteer Patrol). They drove around in cruisers with amber lights being busy bodies.

The hilarious thing was that they basically stayed in the neighborhoods that didn't need any policing, and wouldn't be caught dead in the true (and relatively few) sketchy areas of town.
Reb... Yea... The only place I ever see the CG aux is tied to the fuel dock... looking to put stickers on the unsuspecting....

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Go negative, and go early.

Seems to me he's not pissed at all, just reporting, and maybe somewhat disappointed in the previous owner for his lack of care.

Those pics are worth more than a thousand words about the results of
improper care.
That's all it was Andrew! I had a few spare minutes, and thought I would share.... I wasn't even going to take pics, but the phone was there and what the hell huh???

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Yeah, these things happen, You roll the dice at $1000. I assume there was no bottom paint on it at all and that is the result?
Funny thing Cheech... 3 bottom jobs thick... Probably 30+mils...Quick scrape at the waterline with a paddle floated a spot clean... I guess the last fouling must have become innefective... Oh say... 10 years ago!

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Some understand the point, others don't.

I for one admire your principled approach.

I have become frustrated, and/or to tired while doing a R&R to the point of
saying hell with it lets go the faster way. Only to wake up at 2 or 3 AM and
crawl my tired ass to said project to do it the best/and hopefully the correct way. Then go sleep much sounder.

Nothing like blood, sweat, and cussing to bond with the object of ones affection.
Andrew... Lost sleep in the proper repair is FAR better than lost sleep in dangerous situations due to shortcuts... (albeit this hardly applies)...

I would have you as crew/buddy boat as you would I in a heartbeat...
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Great deal man on the Boat!! Congrats... Looking for the same on a Steel Hull...
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Re: Don't be a S#*tty sailor/owner... Maintain your hull...

When we moored on Lake Union Seattle we use to go back and forth between the salt and the fresh water most years to clean/kill the growth. We could go 5 years between haul outs and bottom paint. Hundred of boats do this each year.

Each time we also have the hulls surveyed for insurance purposes.
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