Cruisers Forum
 


Join CruisersForum Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Rate Thread Display Modes
Old 18-08-2013, 10:45   #46
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Dawn dish soap in the bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by IdoraKeeper View Post
I follow the example of DOJ's father......apparently he would become outraged over as little as dust in the bilge. I have the world's loudest shop vac...works great...no dust, no oil, no sludge... Just oakum and nice clean bilge.
Father would thank you for the honourable mention himself - but he is not an interneter .......To be fair, he has mellowed a bit in his dotage. Not much, but a bit .

For oil (and diesel) spills I like Detergent Powder , mixed with water (ideally warm) to break things down and then mopped and scrubbed by hand as needed.

I doubt anything works well enough if just poured into the bilge and left to soak before being pumped out. On which note, everything goes into the bilge by bucket and then comes out the same (usually via a cloth / sponge) the reason for that is not to clog up bilge pump but also means you don't pour too much liquid in and get tide marks where they can't be reached well away from the problem area as are not simply sloshing around dirty water but also rinsing it away.

The water get disposed of carefully - mostly that care about not spilling any on the sidedecks . Hey, it's a big ocean and you guys over there are balancing us out .

For a constant oil problem the only cure is.........to fix the source? A Nappy in the bilge 24/7?, mmmmm...........
__________________

David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 11:25   #47
Registered User
 
psneeld's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Avalon, NJ
Boat: Albin 40 double cabin Trawler
Posts: 1,831
Re: Dawn dish soap in the bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey View Post
Father would thank you for the honourable mention himself - but he is not an interneter .......To be fair, he has mellowed a bit in his dotage. Not much, but a bit .

For oil (and diesel) spills I like Detergent Powder , mixed with water (ideally warm) to break things down and then mopped and scrubbed by hand as needed.

I doubt anything works well enough if just poured into the bilge and left to soak before being pumped out. On which note, everything goes into the bilge by bucket and then comes out the same (usually via a cloth / sponge) the reason for that is not to clog up bilge pump but also means you don't pour too much liquid in and get tide marks where they can't be reached well away from the problem area as are not simply sloshing around dirty water but also rinsing it away.

The water get disposed of carefully - mostly that care about not spilling any on the sidedecks . Hey, it's a big ocean and you guys over there are balancing us out .

For a constant oil problem the only cure is.........to fix the source? A Nappy in the bilge 24/7?, mmmmm...........

Actually gasoline...especially the stuff with ethanol works really well on oil rings and sludge in the bilge...just limits the spectators ability to smoke..

Don't ask how I know it works ....either on my assistance towboat or the dozens of boats I've assisted where they fueled via the rodholders instead of the fuel pipe....
__________________

__________________
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 13:52   #48
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Dawn dish soap in the bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld View Post
Actually gasoline...especially the stuff with ethanol works really well on oil rings and sludge in the bilge...just limits the spectators ability to smoke..
Sludge is a different matter ......Gasoline / Petrol works well , but nonetheless still need the elbow grease......and detergent to clean up .
David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 13:58   #49
Registered User
 
psneeld's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Avalon, NJ
Boat: Albin 40 double cabin Trawler
Posts: 1,831
Re: Dawn dish soap in the bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by David_Old_Jersey View Post
Sludge is a different matter ......Gasoline / Petrol works well , but nonetheless still need the elbow grease......and detergent to clean up .
You have ethanol gas? E-10 worked just staring at it.... Then toss a bilge absorber in there and I was amazed....not gonna try it again on my tow boat...can't afford to lose her..
__________________
psneeld is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 14:21   #50
Registered User
 
scuba0_1's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: naples
Boat: 2005 Catalina 350
Posts: 670
Wow from soap to the bp spill. Look at all the bubbles coming from a boat after dinner from there sink. Yea I know no one from this forum I'm sure...lol we are the only good sailors out there all on this site.
__________________
scuba0_1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 14:36   #51
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,030
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

sabray nailed it. Soap, detergent, gasoline, solvents, all still bad ideas because they may disperse the oil or thin it, but it is still OIL and petrochemicals at best and still illegal to discharge. The bilge zorbs are the only "fast" answer although there are some enzyme treatments that actually will chemically break down the oil, if given time to work. Or so they say. If the oil is chemically broken down, then it isn't oil and isn't illegal to pump out.

But generally anything that can leave any type of slick or rainbow on the water, is still going to get a prize if you're caught discharging it.
__________________
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 14:38   #52
Registered User

Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Fethiye Turkey
Boat: Lagoon 440
Posts: 3,164
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

TROLL........
__________________
"Political correctness is a creeping sickness that knows no boundaries"
Lagoon4us is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 14:44   #53
Registered User
 
Wrong's Avatar

Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,702
Re: Dawn dish soap in the bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrong View Post
Abstract
Environmental protection agencies and the petroleum industry require effective methods to separate micron-sized oil droplets from water. However, for most existing separation methods, phase separation occurs in the oil–water mixture. The remaining micron-scale oil droplets, which are not affected by phase separation, are difficult to handle with conventional methods on a large scale because of either a lack of separation ability or drawbacks in throughput capacity. Here we develop an oleophilic array of conical needle structures for the collection of micron-sized oil droplets, inspired by the collection of similar sized water droplets on conical cactus spines. Underwater, these structures mimic cacti and can capture micron-sized oil droplets and continuously transport them towards the base of the conical needles. Materials with this structure show obvious advantages in micron-sized oil collection with high continuity and high throughput.
__________________
Wrong is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 15:08   #54
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
sabray nailed it. Soap, detergent, gasoline, solvents, all still bad ideas because they may disperse the oil or thin it, but it is still OIL and petrochemicals at best and still illegal to discharge. The bilge zorbs are the only "fast" answer although there are some enzyme treatments that actually will chemically break down the oil, if given time to work. Or so they say. If the oil is chemically broken down, then it isn't oil and isn't illegal to pump out.

But generally anything that can leave any type of slick or rainbow on the water, is still going to get a prize if you're caught discharging it.
It's almost as if some folks forget that the rest of the world is different. or exists? .

FWIW, we do "carbon offset" our discharges - mostly by not blowing up stuff . But clearly some places have a different approach.
David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 16:25   #55
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,030
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

So, you're allowed to discharge oil in your home waters, dave?

Of course, one might suppose that if the OP or anyone else WAS allowed to discharge oil, there wouldn't be any question about how to get it out of the bilge in the first place. Would there?
__________________
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 16:32   #56
Registered User
 
scuba0_1's Avatar

Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: naples
Boat: 2005 Catalina 350
Posts: 670
Quote:
Originally Posted by SecondBase View Post
Does ths really work? Can anyone confirm this helps in maintaining a clean bilge? Ad if so,how much do you put in?
This was the question. not if you're allowed or what is the chemistry breakdown if you do but far be it for anyone on this form to actually stick to the question.. Oh did I say that out loud

So the answer would be. probably and a few squirts.
__________________
scuba0_1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 16:45   #57
Registered User
 
Stu Jackson's Avatar

Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Cowichan Bay, BC (Maple Bay Marina)
Posts: 6,385
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

In all the forums I've read on this recurring subject, so many respond:

"I just use my shop vac."

No one has EVER explained how they drain or where they drain the good ol' shop vac once it's full of bilge crap.

Could someone please let us know?

Thanks.
__________________
Stu Jackson
Catalina 34 #224 (1986) C34IA Secretary
Cowichan Bay, BC, (Maple Bay Marina) SR/FK, M25, Rocna 10 (22#) (NZ model)
Stu Jackson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 16:51   #58
֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎֍֎

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 13,030
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

Stu, you drain the shop vac in the same place that we drained the fuel tank washout: The marina's "oily waste" tank. Where it gets sold to an oil recycler, who usually turns it into heating oil or something equally uncritical.

I confess, I'll throw oily paper towels, rags, and plastic bags into the ordinary garbage.
__________________
hellosailor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18-08-2013, 17:20   #59
Senior Cruiser
 
Therapy's Avatar

Cruisers Forum Supporter

Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: W Florida
Boat: The Jon boat still, plus a 2007 SeaCat.
Posts: 6,894
Images: 4
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Lagoon4us View Post
TROLL........
I thought urine broke it up.

So you can pee in the sink (or shower) and have it take care of the bilge oil before pumping.
__________________
Who knows what is next.
Therapy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 19-08-2013, 02:25   #60
Armchair Bucketeer
 
David_Old_Jersey's Avatar

Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 10,013
Images: 4
Re: Dawn Dish Soap in the Bilge?

Quote:
Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
So, you're allowed to discharge oil in your home waters, dave?

Of course, one might suppose that if the OP or anyone else WAS allowed to discharge oil, there wouldn't be any question about how to get it out of the bilge in the first place. Would there?
Whether legal or not - a variety of approaches to getting stuff out of the bilges. Seems that many just want a magically easy answer - me too , but IME the only way to do a good job is to scrabble around in the bilges.......
__________________

David_Old_Jersey is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bilge

Thread Tools
Display Modes Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Battery in the Bilge and Exhaust Outlet troppo Electrical: Batteries, Generators & Solar 17 12-11-2013 04:26
Bilge alarms Bash The Sailor's Confessional 13 31-05-2013 13:58
marine survey advice Ardi Monohull Sailboats 13 28-02-2013 18:07
Bilge Water and Encapsulated Keel anjolain Monohull Sailboats 32 01-12-2012 09:58
Advice Laying Out Bilge Access for New Sole Please mischief Construction, Maintenance & Refit 7 14-11-2012 16:18



Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -7. The time now is 10:00.


Google+
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Social Knowledge Networks
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

ShowCase vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.