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Old 20-02-2016, 01:24   #61
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Re: Cost of changing out Ikea looking cabinets on a Lagoon

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LOL. Switzerland is less socialist than the US.
I suspect it might have been a case of confusion between Sweden & Switzerland

It seems like it is a common problem for people from across the pond.

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I suspect it might have been a case of confusion between Sweden & Switzerland
In some ways even Sweden is less socialist than the US...
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As a stereotypical American I would fire a warning shot first, then whack it with a custom finished end table ( never liked IKEA), then I would sue for boarding my boat without permission and playing with my halyards.:big grin:

I hope you are feeling better. Good luck with your cabinet project!
Thanks for making me smile. I'm improving but the ruptured shoulder ligaments are taking a lot longer to heal than I thought would be the case. Lying in bed is the worst. Good news on the cabinets. I spoke to a Lagoon dealer and he seems to think that a number of high gloss coat finishes could be done after market for around $10K. The FP on the other hand has a reasonable selection of wood colors and you can get the high gloss Finnish that I like.

I saw a particularly nice looking color scheme at the recent boat show">Miami boat show on a Lagoon MY 630. The regular white saloon walls where black. With the lighter colored cabinets it looked really nice. But I still would want the high gloss finish. And Lagoon refuses to do the L58 in the black finish so I would gave to do it as an after market.

Realizing if I go with a Lagoon to get the look I want I'm going to have to do it aftermarket. Which got me thinking about if I'm going to go into all this trouble because the factory isn't flexible why not consider buying nearly new and upgrade a few more things while I'm at it. While at the show I priced out the cost of two large motors. For less than $50K I could repower a few years old Lagoon. Even if I replaced the rigging and upgraded the electrics I would be still way under $80K. Then say $20K for refinishing the cabinets the way I want I walk away with a virtually brand new boat for $100's of thousands less than new. Its nice to buy new and not have to do anything because your getting what you want from the factory. But its very tempting to look at going in the other direction if ism heaving to do aftermarket messing around anyway.

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LOL. Switzerland is less socialist than the US.
Of course your right. Just kidding of course.
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In some ways even Sweden is less socialist than the US...
Now that's a bit of a stretch... mind you I hear that some of the Scandinavian countries are looking at ditching the nanny state and adopting more of a free market. Kind of ironic just as the USA has a soviet loving socialist running for President.
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Now that's a bit of a stretch... mind you I hear that some of the Scandinavian countries are looking at ditching the nanny state and adopting more of a free market. Kind of ironic just as the USA has a soviet loving socialist running for President.
From the sound of it, the IRS is very Stalinst, just ask any ex-pat American and ohh Fatca OMG
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From the sound of it, the IRS is very Stalinst, just ask any ex-pat American and ohh Fatca OMG
Can't argue with you at all on that. After being hit with $500,000 in fines, penalties etc. because my accountant made some miscalculations on payroll taxes I totally restructured how I do things. Shifted all of my engineering offshore were everyone is a contractor. Shifted electronic assembly to China and left a skeleton staff back in the USA. It has its own challenges but I'm sure saving a small fortune.
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The FP on the other hand has a reasonable selection of wood colors and you can get the high gloss Finnish that I like.

Finnish? I thought you didn't like the Scandinavian look?
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Now that's a bit of a stretch... mind you I hear that some of the Scandinavian countries are looking at ditching the nanny state and adopting more of a free market. Kind of ironic just as the USA has a soviet loving socialist running for President.
Well, many Liberals in the US would be surprised if I told them that the Scandinavian countries for example don't have minimum wage laws, or the US' idea of the separation of church and state...

And the Scandinavians definitely have better taste when it comes to design, whether it's boats, homes or furniture, than about anyone in the western world.
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Which got me thinking about if I'm going to go into all this trouble because the factory isn't flexible why not consider buying nearly new and upgrade a few more things while I'm at it. While at the show I priced out the cost of two large motors. For less than $50K I could repower a few years old Lagoon. Even if I replaced the rigging and upgraded the electrics I would be still way under $80K. Then say $20K for refinishing the cabinets the way I want I walk away with a virtually brand new boat for $100's of thousands less than new. Its nice to buy new and not have to do anything because your getting what you want from the factory. But its very tempting to look at going in the other direction if ism heaving to do aftermarket messing around anyway.

Decisions, decisions.
Not a bad idea. Let the initial buyer have all the hassles of getting the defects fixed under warranty and taking the big initial depreciation hit.
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We all have different tastes and that makes life interesting but just because your tastes differ from others doesn't suggest that they don't have class. Actually making statements like that is less than a classy thing to do.
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We all have different tastes and that makes life interesting but just because your tastes differ from others doesn't suggest that they don't have class. Actually making statements like that is less than a classy thing to do.
Please don't take my comments so seriously. Unfortunately with the internet tongue in cheek humour is often not recognized. I was only injecting a bit of light humor into the subject. But you are absolutely correct in that we all have differing views of what looks nice. I'm absolutely convinced that a lot of the current production boat builders look at saving pennies in or order to make more dollars. I don't blame them because I am sure they have large cost overheads because they build in France.

What is disappointing is that if your spending the equivalent cost of at least 3 Rolls Royse cars you are stuck with a look that is not to your liking. Yes there are after market ways of upgrading but as I have said before if I'm going to get into upgrading then why not look at not buying new at all but rather to a total upgrade of a recent pre new.

Since I mentioned Roll Royce, you can get whatever color you want from the factory with all kinds of wood finishes.

I'm just throwing some thoughts out here as part of my own thought process. Also to see from others what they think. All helping me in arriving at a decision that has a number of options.
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Not a bad idea. Let the initial buyer have all the hassles of getting the defects fixed under warranty and taking the big initial depreciation hit.
Thanks StuM. Your comment is in line with my gut feeling. Now I need to check if there are depreciation tax allowances for a new to me boat. Having looked at the cost of a total upgraded reviewer and even a total new rigging outfit I could get a better boat for a way lot less. But I need to way this against tax benefits of new and the benefits of being able to put a new boat into a six month crewed charter. I need to assemble some more info. Spreadsheet the various outlays between the different options which will help me make a final decision. I must say attending the Miami Boat Show was a great way for me to gather a lot more information. I also really appreciate the input from everyone here who has way more experience than I have in making my buying decision. Thanks StuM.
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Please don't take my comments so seriously. Unfortunately with the internet tongue in cheek humour is often not recognized. I was only injecting a bit of light humor into the subject. But you are absolutely correct in that we all have differing views of what looks nice. I'm absolutely convinced that a lot of the current production boat builders look at saving pennies in or order to make more dollars. I don't blame them because I am sure they have large cost overheads because they build in France.

What is disappointing is that if your spending the equivalent cost of at least 3 Rolls Royse cars you are stuck with a look that is not to your liking. Yes there are after market ways of upgrading but as I have said before if I'm going to get into upgrading then why not look at not buying new at all but rather to a total upgrade of a recent pre new.

Since I mentioned Roll Royce, you can get whatever color you want from the factory with all kinds of wood finishes.

I'm just throwing some thoughts out here as part of my own thought process. Also to see from others what they think. All helping me in arriving at a decision that has a number of options.
You really can't compare Rolls Royce to production sailing cats, that's the epitome of comparing apples to oranges. Why aren't you looking at Sunreef or another customizable boat builder?
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