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Old 10-05-2016, 14:23   #31
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Re: Bristol Channel Cutter Wheel Steering Instead of Tiller

Maybe a stuck on false clipper bow too, they can really make a statement?
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For those folks who think they have too much weather helm here is a tip: First check the mast's foot. some have a half moon metal plate fitted to the bottom(Cheoy Lees for example). That allows you to rake the mast aft. Raking the mast aft even two degrees from vertical will remove some weather helm. You can fit a plate to the bottom if one is not already there.
This is mostly a problem with ketch and yawl configurations.


Sometimes you will see boats with a lot of rake which indicates a hull that really wants to round up into the wind. Farther aft you rake, the less weather helm. Rake it enough and it will have lee helm(not good).

Itod, captains use to rake their masts according to how much cargo they were stowing and where stowed. Look at old photos. In harbor most masts are vertical. At sea, they are raked, sometimes severely so. Deeper the hull, more it wants to head into the wind. Old timers would go off soundings and fuss with the rake for different loads so they would have a good idea how to adjust the masts in port for the loads they were to carry.
Umm... Reed, I think you have this quite backwards: increasing mast rake moves the CE of the mainsail aft, which in fact INCREASES weather helm, not decreases.

You might want to reconsider the advice you have given.

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Umm... Reed, I think you have this quite backwards: increasing mast rake moves the CE of the mainsail aft, which in fact INCREASES weather helm, not decreases.

You might want to reconsider the advice you have given.

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Yup, thanks. Old age and dyslexia strike again. Take my advice and reverse every thing.
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Re: Bristol Channel Cutter Wheel Steering Instead of Tiller

Adding a wheel to a BCC is about as brilliant as raking your mast to get rid of weather helm .



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Re: Bristol Channel Cutter Wheel Steering Instead of Tiller

I am nearing the end of building a Mark Smallder's Designed 32' Kahuna which if you squint from afar may resemble a BCC. At any rate, it's tiller steered with a transom hung rudder. another person building the same boat, has opted to go with wheel steering using the Edson system aforementioned on this thread. We are each hoping to launch later this summer so as yet can't give proven results on either system. However, can point you to his pictures/site if your interested....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77428955@N02/9488944677/


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I am nearing the end of building a Mark Smallder's Designed 32' Kahuna which if you squint from afar may resemble a BCC. At any rate, it's tiller steered with a transom hung rudder. another person building the same boat, has opted to go with wheel steering using the Edson system aforementioned on this thread. We are each hoping to launch later this summer so as yet can't give proven results on either system. However, can point you to his pictures/site if your interested....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77428955@N02/9488944677/


https://www.flickr.com/photos/77428955@N02/page2


Scott, thanks for the photos. That wheel is one of the most UN-"ergonomic" arrangements I have ever seen.

It looks, to me, like someone stuck a steering wheel on the back end of a Fiat Spider.
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To each their own...He really has done some fine work. we're both anxious to get our boats in the water soon. I had the Edson worm-drive steering on a Cape Dory 30 ketch. It worked well enough, and was bullet proof, but I prefer a tiller.
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To each their own...He really has done some fine work. we're both anxious to get our boats in the water soon. I had the Edson worm-drive steering on a Cape Dory 30 ketch. It worked well enough, and was bullet proof, but I prefer a tiller.
I agree. My point wasn't wheel vs tiller, but rather the position of that particular wheel (not even wheel on a BCC).
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Re: Bristol Channel Cutter Wheel Steering Instead of Tiller

Why is there weather helm in one BCC and not in the others?

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Why is there weather helm in one BCC and not in the others?

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Ok ok, guys, for cheese sakes lets drop the weather helm stuff. Now maybe if he were to put leeboards on his BCC, it might look saltier.
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Why is there weather helm in one BCC and not in the others?

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Sail cut.

I tried every tick in the book to remove weatherhelm (mast rake, sail trim, move ballast, etc.) and none of that made more than a tiny difference. Then I got a new mainsail that was cut properly and it sailed like a different boat.

A sewing machine is by far the best tool for correcting weatherhelm.

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I am nearing the end of building a Mark Smallder's Designed 32' Kahuna which if you squint from afar may resemble a BCC. At any rate, it's tiller steered with a transom hung rudder. another person building the same boat, has opted to go with wheel steering using the Edson system aforementioned on this thread. We are each hoping to launch later this summer so as yet can't give proven results on either system. However, can point you to his pictures/site if your interested....
https://www.flickr.com/photos/77428955@N02/9488944677/


https://www.flickr.com/photos/77428955@N02/page2


Yep. Somewhat less volume aft, no?

Are you going to be ready this season? Would be nice to see some pictures from the maiden voyage ... !

BTW Now I think maybe one of those 'reversed' wheels Ericson 35CR style wheels could fit a BBC better?

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