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Old 04-11-2011, 12:37   #46
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Re: Boat Dropped During Haulout

I would think an engineer not a surveyor. That being said, as far as the yard doing the work. Would your insurance company even allow such a thing? I would think not. Otherwise I can see the new marinas popping up already adding a whole new meaning to "Slip and a fall" We breakem and get paid to fixem.
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Re: Boat Dropped During Haulout

yea I'm doing nothing.

just to reiterate -
It was NOT a travelift.
it was a rail-system.
it never completely cleared the water.
A section broke causing the boat to fall against the steel rails below and sides.
Dropped back a bit (on the rails) and floated off...

I have not named the location and believe they will do the right thing...
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yea I'm doing nothing.

just to reiterate -
It was NOT a travelift.
it was a rail-system.
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Did the rail-system appear in good condition? The crane at a Vallejo Boatyard had heavily-worn/threadbare looking straps, so had my boat hauled out in Pt. Richmond (20 miles distant) where the equipment looked properly maintained.

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This link may make you feel better or worse!

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So you can understand why my stomach was in knots when:



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So you can understand why my stomach was in knots when:



Wow

I hope that's a cheap slip/storage?
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the surveyor is from my insurance company.
I emailed insurance upon splash.
then called this morning.
guy left within 30 minutes for 4-5 hour drive...
Should I get my own guy regardless?
Or wait to hear insurance guy's recommendations?
The insurance surveyor works for the insurance company and is hired to protect their interests. They will want to minimize cost of claim. They will assure you that they will take care of your interests and get it done right. Don't believe them. The insurance company is a third-party with their own agenda and they don't represent YOU or the boat yard. They are not your friend and you are not in good hands if you let them take the lead.

You have an expensive boat. Spend $500 or $1000 and hire your own surveyor who has no divided loyalties. Use your own survey report as you see fit, but don't offer it to the insurance company or the yard. It is your information not theirs. They will use anything you give them to further their own ends. If there is a disagreement let the two surveyors reconcile and justify any difference of opinion.
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Re: Boat Dropped During Haulout

I suggest you also hire a lawyer to represent you. However have no idea how you find a good one of those.
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Re: Boat Dropped During Haulout

Rail system eh? Sounds like mechanical failure so the yard's insurance company will cover this. That's what Liability is for. Your company or the yard should cover the deductable. Good thing it wasn't a crane or travelift. Would've been very ugly. As far as the quality of work goes, if the yard has a good rep, no reason not to let them work on the boat. Insurance is paying the bill and they have that rep to protect. Fixing the boat properly goes a long ways toward that, especially since it wasn't incompetence.
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30' beam?
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Whoever the surveyor the insurance company sends, check him out very carefully, sure he will have credentials from someone like S.A.M.S and a fancy website but most of these are pretty meaningless ( if you cant dazzle em with brilliance,baffle em with bullshit),anyone can get these even if they have never even seen a boat built. In my experience as a boatbuilder, i see very few truly knowlegable surveyors. What i would do is contact someone like Eric Sponberg who is a naval architect, engineer and expert witness if it comes to that, likewise check out the yards actual experience, too many marinas do all kinds of work they are not qualified to do but get the work anyway because they are there with a convenient facility.
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Whoever the surveyor the insurance company sends, check him out very carefully, sure he will have credentials from someone like S.A.M.S and a fancy website but most of these are pretty meaningless ( if you cant dazzle em with brilliance,baffle em with bullshit),anyone can get these even if they have never even seen a boat built. In my experience as a boatbuilder, i see very few truly knowlegable surveyors. What i would do is contact someone like Eric Sponberg who is a naval architect, engineer and expert witness if it comes to that, likewise check out the yards actual experience, too many marinas do all kinds of work they are not qualified to do but get the work anyway because they are there with a convenient facility.
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Folks, this ain't no lie. I've seen surveyors who are "wooden boat specialist" absolutely blow surveys more than once. I had to find items for one last year. He just couldn't see them or didn't understand their import. I trust my on eyes and knowledge above just about any surveyor.
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If you can get your hands on a Passagemaker magazine, August 2007, page 138, there is an excellent article on just what happened to you and what you need to do.

Article: A Haulout Gone Bad: Our loss may be your gain by Don Perrine.

All the best of luck ...
Complete Article Here ➥ http://www.nordhavn.com/news/article...r_Aug%2007.pdf
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Being this is a multi-hull, and the yard is in fact still in business.

It would be well worth a phone call/e-mail, to seek their advice.

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