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Old 15-11-2015, 16:11   #121
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I spent a few years in the merchant marine. Did a couple of dry-dockings, no barnacles, strong bottom paint...
Have buddies who worked on US Navy aircraft carriers with 5000 crews: They said No holding tanks, it all went overboard. (Visualize a brown stream full of Sh!t behind the boat)
Yet a cruising couple on a small sailboat have to prove their head does not go overboard, otherwise they get in trouble with the Marine Police, the US Coast Guard and the EPA, etc.
Did somebody do a sh!t test behind the the US Navy...?
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What is ABC paint?
A search brought up nothing but kid's stuff and paint company names, but nothing about boat stuff.
ABC
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Old 16-11-2015, 14:03   #123
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My understanding is that the USCG uses ABC paint on their small boats. Several posters here have confirmed that. Many other commercial boats also use ABC, as well as lots of private boats like mine.

Not sure about Navy small boats. My understanding is also that which ships are allowed to use tin bottom paint is based on tonnage. Can't remember what the number is but some big commercial ships are also using tin paint.

Course I could be wrong about this.
What are the pros and cons of ABC paint?
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Old 17-11-2015, 13:04   #124
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What is ABC paint?
A search brought up nothing but kid's stuff and paint company names, but nothing about boat stuff.

I believe that this is in reference to Ablative Bottom Copper, paints in general.
TBT paints used by Federal Agency's, are still used because of the sheer number of Vessels coated with the stuff is minimal compared to the millions of privately owned vessels.
That's a huge difference in total volume used.




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Old 17-11-2015, 13:19   #125
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I spent a few years in the merchant marine. Did a couple of dry-dockings, no barnacles, strong bottom paint...
Have buddies who worked on US Navy aircraft carriers with 5000 crews: They said No holding tanks, it all went overboard. (Visualize a brown stream full of Sh!t behind the boat)
Yet a cruising couple on a small sailboat have to prove their head does not go overboard, otherwise they get in trouble with the Marine Police, the US Coast Guard and the EPA, etc.
Did somebody do a sh!t test behind the the US Navy...?

Have you forgotten the 3 mile rule that requires those same vessels large or small to not dump inside of this zone.
Open ocean dumping is still legal.

And Canadians should be asking their respective officials why they still allow dumping within this zone.
I was anchoring in The DeCorcey Group in The Southern Gulf islands in recent years, and saw signs in the anchor area requiring no overboard waste dumping.

In short, I believe it's changing there as well.
I'm not sure why the question was asked how come the Feds can use TBT paint while private owners cannot, as that's not entirely true.
It is used by licensed applicators on Out Drives, or aluminum vessels, tonnage rules apply as well.
It's a regulated pesticide, and because it kills everything it comes in contact with, this requires special consideration.
You need a pesticide license to obtain and or use this stuff.


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Old 17-11-2015, 14:12   #126
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Have you forgotten the 3 mile rule that requires those same vessels large or small to not dump inside of this zone.
Open ocean dumping is still legal.
No, did not forget the 3 mile zone
but if the navy does not have holding tanks they may dump inside the 3 mile limit as well as outside.
Hoping I am wrong, I know cruise ship have pretty tight regulations and pump everything into trucks on shore.
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I believe that this is in reference to Ablative Bottom Copper, paints in general.
TBT paints used by Federal Agency's, are still used because of the sheer number of Vessels coated with the stuff is minimal compared to the millions of privately owned vessels.
That's a huge difference in total volume used.




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I wonder what that huge difference would be when you compare the square footage of military bottoms and the amount of paint used instead of just numbers of boats.
I don't know anyone who sails a destroyer or aircraft carrier.
Imho, it's a, "For me, but not for thee" attitude.
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I wonder what that huge difference would be when you compare the square footage of military bottoms and the amount of paint used instead of just numbers of boats.
I don't know anyone who sails a destroyer or aircraft carrier.
Imho, it's a, "For me, but not for thee" attitude.

There's no comparison, private vessels comprise the vast majority of sq. footage.
TBT is a regulated pesticide, therefore you must be a licensed applicator, as well have the qualifying need and application to use it.
If more private users actually used a hard bottom coating instead of an ablative type we'd be in much better shape.
Why don't they?
The process of application is more difficult.
That's all.


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According to your post, if I had a licensed applicator, an application to use it (my boat bottom) all I need is a QUALIFIED need.
That's where the hypocrisy comes in.
I need it just as much as any military ship. Duh....
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According to your post, if I had a licensed applicator, an application to use it (my boat bottom) all I need is a QUALIFIED need.
That's where the hypocrisy comes in.
I need it just as much as any military ship. Duh....

You mis read Senor, that's a qualifying need, not qualified in YOUR mind.
Check out the requirements in you area maybe you do have a need that qualifies the criteria for legal application.
Sorry if you don't like the rules, I didn't creat them.
But I do stand by them.
Matter of fact, I recently stopped a guy trying to buy the stuff illegally in my area on Craigslist.
DOE Ecology Enforcement made the point to him.
He's no longer looking on CR.


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I believe that this is in reference to Ablative Bottom Copper, paints in general.
ABC is a brand name for a line of paints produced by PPG Industries.


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TBT paints used by Federal Agency's, are still used because of the sheer number of Vessels coated with the stuff is minimal compared to the millions of privately owned vessels.
TBT paints are not used by any vessels in this country- private, commercial, military or otherwise. The only boats found here with it are owned by dirtbags who have it applied elsewhere and then illegally bring the boats into this country.
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ABC is a brand name for a line of paints produced by PPG Industries.




TBT paints are not used by any vessels in this country- private, commercial, military or otherwise. The only boats found here with it are owned by dirtbags who have it applied elsewhere and then illegally bring the boats into this country.

Yeah? You might want to view this, http://nsglc.olemiss.edu/Advisory/Antifouling.pdf. Especially the fact it hasn't been ratified.
Also notice the ban doesn't include static platforms, oil derricks, and other structures.
The article is a bit dated, but it is just BAD practice to even consider its use because of its toxicity. REGARDLESS of Your personal needs!
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Are you somehow under the impression that I support the use of TBT paints? Because you are mistaken if that is the case. Nobody has been more vocal on this forum against their use than I have been. Maybe you misread my previous post.
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Are you somehow under the impression that I support the use of TBT paints? Because you are mistaken if that is the case. Nobody has been more vocal on this forum against their use than I have been. Maybe you misread my previous post.

No, I didn't think you were pro TBT.
I am surprised, and a bit discouraged that anyone would use this incredibly toxic paint to save bucks in haulouts.
The stuff is outlawed because it stays in the environment for long after its shed from the boat bottom.
Just don't use it.


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I saw one of these at a boatshow...very expensive...called Ultra-SoniTec.com. What is the name of your product from Jaycar? Thanks for your information and reply.
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