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Old 19-01-2013, 14:11   #1
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Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

Hi there,

after lurking around and teaching myself for quite some time, allow me to say a proper hi to everyone.

My wife and I will start full time cruising this summer, and we are currently looking for a boat (never owned one before, just charter). We found a 10y old mid 40ft cat, that we visited and really like. We are now considering to buy the boat, but are not sure regarding how much refit would be required.

Before sending a surveyor to take a look, could you pls give me your opinion on the following pics?

- is the rust on the rigging normal or is it a sign that standing rig must be replaced?

- engine (~3000hrs) shows some signs of rust as well - is this a problem, as long as it was mainted good?

- the pump is part of a watermaker - again, does the rust harm the pump?

Many thanks for your help!
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Old 19-01-2013, 14:42   #2
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

Generally speaking visible defects on a boat are way less than the tip of an iceberg.

If the boat you're looking at is indeed 10 years old and these photos are representative of it's overall condition then it is showing signs of neglect/hard use.

Whether this is a good or bad thing may depend on the price and your intended use.

It could be servicable for limited use but be in need of refurbishment/maintenance/upgrades.

Before going cruising with a newly brought boat it is common to do substantial upgrading/fixing/maintenance. On a 40' mono figures of round $50-60k are sometimes mentioned with time take being from 3 months to 5 years.

If you like the boat why not get a quote from a rigger to replace the lot. Listen carefully to any comments that he/she may make. Do the same with a mechanic. Get them to have a look at the engine/transmission and steering.

It would also be a good idea to turn on the master switch and then to turn on each of the electrics/electronics. It'll only take a few minutes to turn on the depth sounder, radio (make a test call), radar, stereo, log, inverter, fridge and whatever else there is. While you're about it turn on the interior lights, compass light and navigation lights. Don't forget to turn them off and to turn off the master switch before you leave.

Checking the toilet and seeing if the fresh water system works should only take a minute or two. Again, don't forget to close all seacocks before leaving the boat.

Best to leave checking the stove to the surveyor if you're still interested.
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Old 19-01-2013, 14:45   #3
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

Hard to tell much from a few pictures. 10 year old rigging should be replaced. Looks like there's been some salt water squirting around from the pics. Only a proper survey will tell you what you need to know.
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

What I'm seeing looks pretty normal for a saltwater 10 yr. boat. the engine looks pretty clean really, the refrig (?) drivemotor is pretty rusted, maybe due to location? Cant see the rigging well enough, but at 10 years, you will want to have it inspected closely. maybe replace just the iffy components depending on your sailing goals.
At 10years, many things like pumps, hoses, electronics, running rigging (lines), sails etc, are at, or near, the end of their useful life. Weeping at the sink drains is not unusual. Just make sure the core, rudders etc are good if you can live with the above.
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Old 19-01-2013, 15:18   #5
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

If you are asking the questions that you are, you REALLY need a good professional surveyor.
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

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If you are asking the questions that you are, you REALLY need a good professional surveyor.
Tingum,

well, as written above, I will certainly take a professional surveyor before buying the boat. I'm just trying to find out if it is worthwile sending a surveyor there (as the location of the boat is difficult to reach and I would have to fly someone in) or if there is anything very obvious, which makes the boat a writeoff that I just don't see due to lack of experience.

Thanks for all your feedback so far!
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

Don't let the cosmetics disturb.. after all every used gear get's some stains whatever you maintenance you do. No stains means stayed on the hard or a polished pier queen..
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Old 19-01-2013, 15:46   #8
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

Looks like a Yanmar engine. I understand a well maintained Yanmar can be used for between 6000 and 10,000 hours, so it may have lots of useful life left, but a mechanical inspection should be done at the same time as the survey. BTW, in my limited knowledge of cats, twin engines are more the norm these days since single screw cats can be more difficult to maneuver in tight spaces.
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Re: Assessing condition of a 10y old boat - worth it?

Hi tico
I hate to say it but it is basically impossible for anyone here no matter how knowledgeable to answer your question intelligently. A few random photos and little or no knowledge of the boat and how it was used is simply not enough to go on. Find a surveyor and talk to him some. Pay him a few bucks to spend an hour talking about the boat and your observations. Let him look at the listing and maybe talk to the seller/broker. Then you can start to think about whether or not it will be worth it to proceed. Good luck
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