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Old 14-09-2014, 00:44   #1
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thanks for taking the time-

I'm looking for a large live-aboard and cosmetics mean very little to me-

Bottom line: If I restore her hull and deck can I take my sweet time with everything else?

1963 Hall Russell & Co Ltd. Steel Ketch - Shipyard Launch

LOA: 79.1 ft

Beam: 21 ft 4 in

Maximum Draft: 11 ft 6 in

Engines: Dual Gardner Diesel Inboards

Shore power inlet - 220

1,400 gallon diesel capacity in the main tank plus two day tanks

Asking..? 22k "Open to Offers"

it seems as though the Hall Russell was sold to TriNav Marine Brokerage from Scotia Coast Yachts.

I found a pdf of theirs which contained higher quality photos and additional information.

I stripped it and created a gallery here.

I also found an article here which seems to indicate the boat never sank but rather two other boats in the area did.

Because of this they were scrapped-

I think they'd accept a fraction of their asking price

Whether the engines are working or not, do I really need them?

Your thoughts?
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Old 14-09-2014, 08:41   #2
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Given its size, does it fall under transport Canada guidelines for survey for use in Canadian waters? I don't know if it applies but my concerns are many.

1. Hull and more importantly fuel tank corrosion and all mechanical systems - this vessel looks barely seaworthy
2. Cost to get it live able......I think it would be worth putting an estimate together after a survey even if you just get cost on basics ....anything can be restored if you have a ton of cash
3. Are there better alternatives out there?
4. Would it meet insurance standard to get coverage ....you do want and need insurance for dockage etc. even if it is just liability insurance


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Old 14-09-2014, 12:51   #3
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does it fall under transport Canada guidelines for survey for use in Canadian waters?
Hull and more importantly fuel tank corrosion and all mechanical systems - this vessel looks barely seaworthy

anything can be restored if you have a ton of cash
Are there better alternatives out there?
you do want and need insurance for dockage etc. even if it is just liability insurance
I don't know anything about Canadian guidelines but the idea would be to restore the hull, check her systems, sail down to New Hampshire and drop anchor.

I did some quick math and if I ignore the cosmetic and completed the work myself a refit would cost me 84 thousand

Which I don't need in hand all at once, figure I could put 12k into it/yr.

Regardless of size, don't ever plan on docking

I've looked at least a few hundred boats online, nothings' really spoken to me yet

Don't want insurance and from what I understand, it's nearly impossible to get insurance for boats 20-25 years or older anyway.
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Old 14-09-2014, 14:43   #4
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That's a huge project! Sad that people let great boats like that get into that state.

Just my view, but a boat like that's going to cost a lot to operate and keep maintained. so even though it's cheap to buy, it won't be cheap to own, once restored.

I guess what I'm saying is, if all you can afford to buy is that boat, you probably can't afford to own that boat.
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Old 14-09-2014, 15:11   #5
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Don't want insurance and from what I understand, it's nearly impossible to get insurance for boats 20-25 years or older anyway.
Right...Just what we need: another clapped out, unseaworthy, underfinanced, poorly maintained behemoth at anchor somewhere, and without insurance to cover the damages she would do when she comes adrift in a winter storm.

Seriously, mate, if you are thinking that 12K$ per year will even hold her at the status quo, let alone start her on the road to recovery, you are courting major disaster. Please do not do this.

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Old 14-09-2014, 15:18   #6
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That is so correct there Jim. "I don't want insurance" means that if your boat gets damaged by one of these owner's boats then it costs you to repair it. How good is that"

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If that is your budget you really need to scale-down.

The work and expenses to make this once-upon-a-time really nice boat sea-worthy again will be astronomical, even if you don't care about appearance.

And "Whether the engines are working or not, do I really need them?" indicates that you may not have to much experience in the field of navigating a boat of this size.

Don't do this, it will break your neck...
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Old 15-09-2014, 08:29   #8
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I would be afraid of the condition of hand hull mostly. The interior seems well kept for a boat that has some exterior neglect issues, and the sails appear not too old. I looked at tens of thousands ( online 99%) before I bought my boat, which didn't speak to me of anything but utility, but has grown on me. But I still put 40,000 into a not too old 36 foot fiberglass boat that came with a really robust hull, deck and rig in a year. If you do it, I wish you luck, strong arms and back, and I will say this, it is a beautiful boat and deserves to live. That said, I get sad sometimes when I see them chopping up crummy mass produced Clippers and Buccaneers abandoned in yards and marinas, and cry like a baby( slight exaggeration) when an old wooden lifeboat ends it's days, rotten on blocks in a field.
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Just curious.... why do you need that much room just to sit. Why not a smaller boat that's do-able and sail?
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Old 15-09-2014, 16:05   #10
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Was Zengirl asking fatherchronica about the size of his boat? Or the original poster? My 36 footer is quite compact. Plus there are 6 of us on board, although 2 are dogs and 2 are cats. But we all have different wants and dreams. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. When you are away from land for extended periods it is nice to be able to stand up inside sometimes.
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Oh, sorry. Was asking the original post.Pupil2Prodigy
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Just curious.... why do you need that much room just to sit. Why not a smaller boat that's do-able and sail?
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Hi P2P,

I have been there and done that. Restored a 63' steel ketch and I would suggest your estimates are way, way, way too low. I agree with the suggestion that your budget might be just enough to let the boat slowly rust away instead of quickly rust away.

It would cost more than your yearly budget just to haul the boat and do a bare minimum bottom job.

If the steel has any bad spots you will have to haul to replate or it will sink out from under you. Have it done at a yard it will be tens of thousands. DIY and it will take weeks and weeks and the yard bill will be big anyway due to the storage.

Did you look at the draft of this boat? That alone would severely limit where you could go and the yards that could haul you.
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Wow, big project. I can see 250K (maybe more) to get her in ship shape.
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Pupil2Prodigy,

Milton Freidman"youthful exhuberance".
This said,your costs to get vessel to wherever will be CRUSHING.
Additionally,I'd be inclined to think you'll have to replate hull.
I used to like as good as this vessel did in years gone by-no amount of refit is going to have me look that good again.At any price.

Please listen to voices of experience here.

For 20-30K you can find something in 30-40 foot range and live aboard while refit over time.
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