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Old 23-11-2011, 12:55   #31
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Re: Antifoul paint - RAGE

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Maybe some people out there are spending extra money on divers to rub their antifouling off!
And maybe some people care more about proper maintenance and performance than others do.
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Old 23-11-2011, 13:01   #32
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Re: Antifoul paint - RAGE

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The half dozen little critters I get during the year don't bug me much.

Maybe some people out there are spending extra money on divers to rub their antifouling off!
It is illegal here and I believe in most places to scrub an ablative bottom in the water. Only hard paint bottoms can be scrubbed in the water legally. So it is not being "scrubbed off" in any measurable degree, in fact scrubbing helps to expose fresh cuprous oxide in the paint and "reactivate" it.
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Old 23-11-2011, 13:04   #33
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So .............. RAGE!
Perhaps we should ask for our money back for paints that don't work. That might start focusing minds. The one time I did complain to International Paints they sent a member of staff around who agreed there was a problem, so gave me another 3 litres of the stuff which still didn't work

Also why all the different colours what difference does that make? is that to stop the fowling or catch the eye of the buyer.

Now were is that chilly remedy.


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Old 23-11-2011, 13:09   #34
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The half dozen little critters I get during the year don't bug me much.

Why so much RAGE!!! if your product is working so well for you?
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Old 23-11-2011, 13:41   #35
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Also why all the different colours what difference does that make? is that to stop the fowling or catch the eye of the buyer.
Some boaters like to have the bottom paint color compliment the topsides, so there's that. Also, copper content affects color. Darker colors can have a higher content than lighter colors, as the copper tends to tint the lighter colors.
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Old 23-11-2011, 14:07   #36
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And maybe some people care more about proper maintenance and performance than others do.
OK. And maybe people of the little world of SF shouldn't tell me what the bottom of my boat on the east coast looks like.
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If the US Navy used a non-TBT anti foul:
1. There would be less hypocrisy,
2. There would be more work for divers,
3. They would consume more fuel per mile,
4. More greenhouse gases, bigger ozone layer and more skin cancer for those of us from the southern hemisphere.

So, please Uncle Sam, keep using TBT!

And so will I!

And I will continue to use a hat as much as possible. Gotta watch out for the skin cancer!
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Re: Antifoul Paint - RAGE

It's just consumerism at work. Have a look in a supermarket at how many different toothpastes, shampoos etc there are. They all do the same thing, they all work equally well, and in reality the hundreds of "different" types are all made by just a couple of manufacturers.

But by having all the "different" types, they take up more shelf space in the shop, so you're more likely to buy one made by that manufacturer.
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OK. And maybe people of the little world of SF shouldn't tell me what the bottom of my boat on the east coast looks like.
Arrogant much? I didn't say a word about your boat. But you seem to think the it's your way or the highway when it comes to bottom paint and hull cleaning. I'm here to tell you that ain't the case,
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It is illegal here and I believe in most places to scrub an ablative bottom in the water. Only hard paint bottoms can be scrubbed in the water legally.
I've been having a conversation recently with a diver in Port Townsend who claims (and has the documentation backing it up) that it is actually illegal in Washington to clean any paint that contains a metal biocide.
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LOL! RpdBms cracks me up!
Please stop the rain so I can stop wasting time here and can get back to work.
PLEASE!!!
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Arrogant much? I didn't say a word about your boat. But you seem to think the it's your way or the highway when it comes to bottom paint and hull cleaning. I'm here to tell you that ain't the case,

To me you are the one saying your way or the highway and that just because you say all boats in SF need a diver doesn't make it so everywhere else.

Your posts remind of a certain anchor guy with the initals CS. If you want to post what your experience in SF with which paints work it's fine with me.

But really this has nothing to do with the orginal post that there isn't anyway to sort out manufacturers claims etc.
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Re: Antifoul Paint - RAGE

Well, it does occur to me that we are arguing apples and oranges. Your boat lives in a region of low fouling and your sailing season is only 5 months long. So it makes sense that you might never use a diver. In my neck of the woods, boats live in the water 24/7/365 and we experience moderate to high fouling rates. So in-water hull cleaning is a part of regular (and necessary) boat maintenance.
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Re: Antifoul Paint - RAGE

This thread makes me long for the days when we used slap on gallons of 'red lead' on a tidal grid every season to keep the critters at bay on our PNW seine boat fleet. Probably a good thing that we are more aware of the environment but somehow I think the lunatics are now running the asylum, particularly in the Bay area. Are there any comprehensive, non-political studies on actually how much environmental harm is done to the ocean from non-commercial bottom paint?
Talking with the hull scrubbers in San Diego, the non-ablatives were popular and meant less crap on the ocean bottom.
Manufacturers have done little to lower the 'fuzz index' on their variety of products, unfortunately... just my opinion... Capt Phil
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I think the lunatics are now running the asylum, particularly in the Bay area.
The Bay Area? Aren't you paying attention to what's happening in San Diego & Washington?

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Are there any comprehensive, non-political studies on actually how much environmental harm is done to the ocean from non-commercial bottom paint?
Yes, although there is debate over the source of the copper, or rather the allocation of the source of the copper.

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Talking with the hull scrubbers in San Diego, the non-ablatives were popular and meant less crap on the ocean bottom.
San Diego hull cleaners are now forbidden to clean any anti fouling paint that results in a "plume" of color in the waterr. This means virtually ablatives cannot now be cleaned.
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