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Old 03-04-2013, 20:18   #91
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You're a bitter, bitter man, aren't you?
No really I'm not. I am just trying to let you see that you conforming to the law is exactly how all the boatyards were conforming to the law before they weren't allowed to let the runoff drain away. Then they changed the law which prevented them from doing that while you could go on, stating that you were legal and the yards were not. But now they will change the law again, outlawing your activities as well. When that is done, you can't say that you comply to the law anymore. In fact, if you would continue cleaning in the water, you would be exactly like that yard with the $175k fine that you are so badmouthing now.

What they want is the copper from the anti-fouling out of the environment. They took care of the cleaning activity or so they thought but cleaning in-water had slipped through and they correct that now. That is what I called "to plug the leak".

I am not bringing this politically nice and cosy to you, I realize that. But I also know that you are not waiting for that BS either so I just present it bluntly like it is.

For you and your customers it is very simple: just switch to teflon-epoxy paint that only needs touchups every so many years and the cost savings can be spend on your services to keep it clean by more frequent scrubbing. You win. Until that robot arrives in California of-course, but at least you now see that coming too.
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They took care of the cleaning activity or so they thought but cleaning in-water had slipped through and they correct that now.
I am sure that until da Gubberment curtailed onshore boat scrubbing in boat yards (by making it too expensive to be commercially viable) that the diving end of the scrubbing business was a lot smaller!

Whilst never one to enjoy someone having their ricebowl messed with (especially by da Gubberment ), nonetheless hard not to have at least a wry smile in this case - seems that FST has discovered first hand that protecting the penguins via the combination of wishful thinking by the deluded and the financial self interest of others feels a bit less warm and fuzzy when the cost is coming directly out of own pocket rather than "only" from some other poor sods .

Having said that, I have no problem FST playing the stupidity card to try and protect self interest (I doubt anyone is really that dumb ) but I do find it bizarre that FST expects (demands?) others to be as dumb as he pretends to be.
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Seems like that 175K could have been better spent by the boatyard by installing a water catchment system like some car washes have done rather than paying the ridiculous fine. Copper is worth big money at the scrapyard, and there's little point in using fresh clean water to pressure wash boats.

I also have to wonder if fstbttms has altered his avatar background to appear less like he's swimming in soup.
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You could ban bottom paints altogether and develop a new industry of bottom cleaning technologies for unpainted bottoms..including manually scrubbing.... maybe like a floating in water bottom washer which you are towed through for a reason able cost?????
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You could ban bottom paints altogether and develop a new industry of bottom cleaning technologies for unpainted bottoms..including manually scrubbing.... maybe like a floating in water bottom washer which you are towed through for a reason able cost?????
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Because certain people just can't get along this thread is closed.
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