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Old 02-04-2013, 17:28   #31
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I'm curious if FB is so narcissistic that he expected anything other than what this thread has brought him??
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Old 02-04-2013, 17:34   #32
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I'm curious if FB is so narcissistic that he expected anything other than what this thread has brought him??
Not from this crowd. I made the initial post in this thread in four other forums as well. This is the only one where the geniuses (none of whom keep their boats in a California saltwater marina, BTW) spoke up to infer that hull cleaning is not a necessary maintenance task and were subsequently taken to task by me.
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Re: Anti Fouling Paint Manufacturers Taking Aim At California Hull Cleaners

so you were just looking to do some trolling?
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Re: Anti Fouling Paint Manufacturers Taking Aim At California Hull Cleaners

No, just another attempt by me to forewarn California boaters. Unfortunately, the peanut gallery piped up with their less-than-well-informed opinions which (maybe also unfortunately) frequently has the effect of getting me to respond.
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Re: Anti Fouling Paint Manufacturers Taking Aim At California Hull Cleaners

When I proposed Legally taking my Legally sailed vessel Legally, to the Bahamas to Legally purchase, Legally apply and Legally enjoy Sea Hawk brand bottom paint which (Legally) contains TBT... You took to moral high ground and reacted like I was the moral equivalent of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolae_Ceaușescu.

Now you say that if it is legal, you are ok with it.. And want sympathy for a potential change of the laws...

Not seeing it.
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No, just another attempt by me to forewarn California boaters. Unfortunately, the peanut gallery piped up with their less-than-well-informed opinions which (maybe also unfortunately) frequently has the effect of getting me to respond.
As a California boater, I appreciate the heads-up.

Personally, I'm ready to move beyond copper-based paints. As it is, my diver scrubs the bottom on a monthly basis, and I'm not convinced that a non-copper hard paint would perform much worse under that sort of regiment.

West Marine currently sells my paint, Pettit Trinidad SR, for $270 per gallon. That's what the paint manufacturers are trying to preserve; they want us to pay more for paint, less for divers. Duh. Fstbttms wants us to pay less for paint, and more for divers. Again, duh. For my part, I want to side with the small-business owner who does my bottoms rather than the huge corporation that wants to sell me paint.

Anything wrong with that?
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Re: Anti Fouling Paint Manufacturers Taking Aim At California Hull Cleaners

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Not from this crowd. I made the initial post in this thread in four other forums as well. This is the only one where the geniuses (none of whom keep their boats in a California saltwater marina, BTW) spoke up to infer that hull cleaning is not a necessary maintenance task and were subsequently taken to task by me.

Next time you want to IMPLY other folks are not well-informed, you may want to say it correctly. One-sided opinions usually get what they deserve.
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Re: Anti Fouling Paint Manufacturers Taking Aim At California Hull Cleaners

When are California boaters going to figure out that because of the environmental extremeists, they are being hosed financially. The rest of the world applies bottom paint that actually works to inhibit marine growth... No scrubbing required.

Environmentally friendly bottom paint is an oxymoron.

I have yet to find anyone in Europe who has their boat scrubbed monthly. Even if you felt it was necessary, you wouldn't be able to find a diver to do it... There's no demand for the service.
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When are California boaters going to figure out that because of the environmental extremeists, they are being hosed financially. The rest of the world applies bottom paint that actually works to inhibit marine growth... No scrubbing required.

Environmentally friendly bottom paint is an oxymoron.

I have yet to find anyone in Europe who has their boat scrubbed monthly. Even if you felt it was necessary, you wouldn't be able to find a diver to do it... There's no demand for the service.
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Here is Hulltimo!! the hull cleaning robot. It is said to go on strike in California, not because of urine bottles that are dumped overboard by composting sailors, but because of new proposed laws that will outlaw hull cleaning!
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I think it's high time they ban under water cleaning in CA It's not just the paint and metals, but also all the barnacles, mussels and other stuff that gets scraped off and falls to the bottom, where it dies and decomposes into a poisonous pile of corpses that are all infected with the poison ingredients from the anti-fouling paint and which then get eaten by other marine life which goes up the food chain and onto our plates. All because of the scraping!

What do you think happens to the remnants from a power washing at a boat yard. Do you think that it is disposed of as toxic or thrown in the dumpster(if swept up) and then thrown in a landfill where it then seeps into the freshwater supply. I know what happens, do you?
I could tell you some stories from my days at various large shipyards, but I'm sure you wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about.
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but I'm sure you wouldn't have a clue what I was talking about.
For somebody who is so sure about me, you demonstrate very little use of brainpower, which would have you recognize that I was being sarcastic. The was just that extra hint at it but alas...
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Re: Anti Fouling Paint Manufacturers Taking Aim At California Hull Cleaners

No, I am not an expert forum poster like you. Didn't even notice the face whistling. But since you mention it, that looks a lot more like arrogance than sarcasm. Sarcasm by definition is a taunt, mockery or making fun of someone you feel is inferior to you.
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No, I am not an expert forum poster like you. Didn't even notice the face whistling. But since you mention it, that looks a lot more like arrogance than sarcasm. Sarcasm by definition is a taunt, mockery or making fun of someone you feel is inferior to you.
You are wrong again. Where did you look up that definition? Because it is: "The use of irony to mock or convey contempt." Nothing about a person, it can be a thing like cleaning bottoms or protecting the environment from it.

To read in order to understand, instead of just reading in order to reply, you could!
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You are wrong again. Where did you look up that definition? Because it is: "The use of irony to mock or convey contempt." Nothing about a person, it can be a thing like cleaning bottoms or protecting the environment from it.

To read in order to understand, instead of just reading in order to reply, you could!
How was I wrong the first time? Secondly I know what sarcasm is, but just so that you could see it in writing it is on Wikipedia.
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Sarcasm is "a sharp, bitter, or cutting expression or remark; a bitter gibe or taunt",[1

Dictionary.com describes the use of irony as thus:
In sarcasm, ridicule or mockery is used harshly, often crudely and contemptuously, for destructive purposes
Cultural perspectives on sarcasm vary widely with more than a few cultures and linguistic groups finding it offensive to varying degrees. Thomas Carlyle despised it: "Sarcasm I now see to be, in general, the language of the devil; for which reason I have long since as good as renounced it".[12] Fyodor Dostoyevsky, on the other hand, recognized in it a cry of pain: Sarcasm, he said, was "usually the last refuge of modest and chaste-souled people when the privacy of their soul is coarsely and intrusively invaded."[13] RFC 1855, a collection of guidelines for Internet communications, includes a warning to be especially careful with it as it "may not travel well". A professional translator has advised that international business executives "should generally avoid sarcasm in intercultural business conversations and written communications" because of the difficulties in translating sarcasm.
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