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Old 08-11-2014, 07:51   #1
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Advice on solid fuel stoves.

I'm in need of a heat source for my Fantasia 35, I've done quite a bit of reading and research and I've decided solid fuel is the way to go for me. I think I've decided on a stove and an install location. I am looking at putting a Fatsco "Pet" on my galley counter top with the Cook Top and Sea Rail accessories. This location allows me to use an already existing hole in my deck from an old propane hot water heater, have two elbows in my stove pipe, and achieve over 4 feet of vertical rise in the chimney. The location isn't perfect but it works. This will allow me to keep my cut out free for an alcohol stove for warm weather cooking and a microwave for when I'm on shore power.
Are there any thoughts or advice on this install? Has any one used a "Pet" for cooking (keeping in mind I also have an alcohol stove and Dickinson SeaBQ for cooking), or for heat?
Any advice is welcome.
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Old 08-11-2014, 08:46   #2
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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

I plan on going with a Shipmate stove if/when I ever build me a houseboat. If you go with the Pet I would love to see pics of it installed, and a review of it.

I like the fuel flexibility. Pierside, I can always find construction and remodeling scraps as well as downed or felled trees, driftwood, etc. I think there are a couple of places locally to get coal, too.

Currently I use either electric or my diesel/kero Butterfly brand all brass primus type stove for cooking, but the Butterfly won't run untended for more than an hour or so and probably puts out too much carbon monoxide for heating a closed up cabin. I seldom really need heat here anyway and the 1000w electric space heater does a pretty good job of heating my little boat. Gonna get me an electric blanket too I think.

Boat still has the original alcohol stove but it's toast and I'm tossing it as I get around to building my whole new galley. And I hate propane passionately. Ditto gasoline.
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Old 08-11-2014, 09:59   #3
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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

I also passionately dislike propane, and also have been using electric heat. Last winter during Toronto's ice storm and Polar Vortex, we were seeing temperatures down to -27 celsius with wind chills of -50c. My three 1500 watt electric heaters just weren't up to the task. With all three heaters on high the boat was maxing out at 14 c. Much of the city was without power, but my marina never lost power. It certainly made me recognize the need for a heat source not dependent on the grid- because it would have been very bad news if we lost power. Plus, solid fuel gives me an easy source of heat on the hook. I definitely considered the Skippy as well as the Dickinson Newport, but given my limited install options, the small size of the Pet really appeals to me. I will definitely post results of the install.
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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Heat caloric value,from propane is 20% lower, means less heat, than Kero or Diesel fuel.
How ever very dry warm heat provided its intake and exhaust are vented outdoors.

I had a Dickenson 9000 Btu, propane heater it was nice, but not as warm at 30f as 50f. 28fter.

Solid fuel are nice, a bit on the dirty side with wood and ashes.

Diesel is warm and toasty, a it on the pricy side these days, some complained that the low sulphur diesel doesn't burn clean, I believe that a adjustment issues.

Kero is hot but can be fumey and start up can be slow, replacement burners are almost impossible to find and leaks are pretty common.


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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Dickenson Newport was my choice, parts available and it's very warm.
26000 Btu on High, But 3 gal. Per 24 hrs on high.
Kinda pricy there.


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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Dickenson sells a solid fuel stove also, shipmate stove works, and navigator stoves works sell nice stuff, as well as bronze deck horns and accessories.


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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

1 BTU = 0.2931 Watts so three electric heaters of 1500 Watts each is 15,354 BTU total. Better check on the BTU output for a solid fuel heater.
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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

There's also a small outfit out of England that makes a tall cylinder type solid fuel stove, that fit in upright areas, saves a lot of space.
I'll try to research that info.


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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Bengco is one option that could be copied and made locally from steel without too much effort:

Bengco Engineering - Marine Engineering Company in Hamble, Southampton (UK)

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1 BTU = 0.2931 Watts so three electric heaters of 1500 Watts each is 15,354 BTU total. Better check on the BTU output for a solid fuel heater.
Ya, I tried 3 1500 watt electric heaters. With a wind chill of -40ish with full shrink wrapping I was able to maintain 14 clecius on a decently well insulated boat. Some of these wood stoves claim over 20k btu's. I think that combined with electric should be enough to take the toque off inside.
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Ya, I tried 3 1500 watt electric heaters. With a wind chill of -40ish with full shrink wrapping I was able to maintain 14 clecius on a decently well insulated boat. Some of these wood stoves claim over 20k btu's. I think that combined with electric should be enough to take the toque off inside.
What was the outside temperature without windchill? With shrink wrap I am thinking there will be little ventilation so the temperature without windchill would be the design temperature. How is the boat insulated?
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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Actual temperature was around -27. Not having wind over the deck due to shrink wrapping definitely helps, but there s still wind over the hull and portlights. Even with shrink wrap on very windy days (say 20+ knots) its still impossible to eliminate drafts below.
I stuff rags in my deck vents etc. But cold air has a way of creeping in.

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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Check out a Morso 1410 squirrel wood stove.
Is that still to large?


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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Very cool looking stove. My insurance company is a limiting factor. They said they were okay with solid fuel stoves, but only if it's marketed and sold specifically as a "marine stove" like the shipmate Skippy.

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Re: Advice on solid fuel stoves.

Heres a new one I just found out about.

Cubic Mini Wood Stoves - Mini wood stoves
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