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Old 19-11-2015, 05:00   #46
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A battery switch shall be mounted in a readily accessible location as close as practicable to the battery."

ABYC Built Boat- I see no way to even begin to argue that the battery switch is as "as close as practicable to the battery":

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Boy... That's some sloppy runs there... And a serious tripping hazard...
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Boy... That's some sloppy runs there... And a serious tripping hazard...
I think we can all sleep soundly knowing that Maine Sail's technical skills exceed his draftsmanship ability, at least, in this case.
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I think we can all sleep soundly knowing that Maine Sail's technical skills exceed his draftsmanship ability, at least, in this case.
INDEED!!!

We are a very lucky crowd...
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I think we can all sleep soundly knowing that Maine Sail's technical skills exceed his draftsmanship ability, at least, in this case.
My MS Paint skills are certainly very lacking....
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My MS Paint skills are certainly very lacking....
It's fun to point out our own deficiencies on par with others.... If I had a nickel for every "save as" trying to edit pics...
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It's fun to point out our own deficiencies on par with others.... If I had a nickel for every "save as" trying to edit pics...
Here's a technique I use which also saves the original so that it is not permanently edited.

I do a Save As and then rename the image with a Z- in front of it. It looks like this:

Z-IMG_00421.jpg

the original image was;

IMG_00421.jpg...

Now I still have the original image number, due to Save As, which is not permanently edited, yet all edited versions move to the end of the list in the folder and are easy to locate. You could also do it with A-IMG and the edited images would be at the top of the list. With well over 140,000 images in my database I needed a way to make it easy and this works well for me. At the bottom of each folder of images I have my Z-IMG (sometimes Z-DSC_XXXX etc.) images which denotes them as "previously edited"...

If I make any more changes to the edited image it looks like this:

Z-IMG_00421.jpg-2 or Z-IMG_00421.jpg-Paint

Oh and BTW for 98% of the editing I do, Picasa is what I use (I don't use any of their on-line features).

I also own Adobe Lightroom, Adobe Photoshop, Aperture and a numerous other photo editing tools but none of them beat Picasa for speed, cataloging, speed of search and over all simplicity. Oh yeah and it is free and the other programs cost me THOUSANDS..
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Here's a technique I use which also saves the original so that it is not permanently edited.

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etc.) images which denotes them as "previously edited"...

If I make any more changes to the edited image it looks like this:

Z-IMG_00421.jpg-2 or Z-IMG_00421.jpg-Paint
Roger that Maine !

I edit a lot of pics (test lab), and have used both the 1 and the z method... Although using both gets confusing!

Google + >Images.... has changed my life... GONE are the days of transferring pics, uploading, etc... By the time I get to my computer to edit, they are already on the drive...

I can remember when I had to use film.... > photo lab... >and HAND SCAN for report pictures!!! What a colossal waste of time and money for barely adequate results...

Anybody need a Twain hand scanner??? It's a Logitec, so... a good one...
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Many (most ?) French boats were built for 220v and when shipped to NA all they did was change the inlets to 30amp/120v while leaving the thinner wire...... not a healthy thing to do.
I doubt that any serious French builder will do that. Too stupid, too much liability.
Must be the works of some clowns.

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Black: Hot: An ungrounded current carrying conductor. This is the hot side of the system.
Black an unlikely colour for an active (hot) in fixed wiring in many countries. Black is for middle wire or neutral in OZ

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White: Shore Grounded Neutral A current carrying conductor maintained at ground (Earth) potential.
White an unlikely colour for a neutral in fixed wiring in many countries. White is an active (hot) in many countries.
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I think we can all sleep soundly knowing that Maine Sail's technical skills exceed his draftsmanship ability, at least, in this case.
Tough crowd, eh, Maine Sail?

Next time try dotted lines, maybe they won't trip over them!
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Tough crowd, eh, Maine Sail?
Nah just observational and, in this case, accurate....
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I doubt that any serious French builder will do that. Too stupid, too much liability.
Must be the works of some clowns.
Sorry that you doubt it but this is pretty routine and not just by one Euro builder but almost all of them. Remember these are the same people putting NPT brass ball valves on NPS throughulls .... they must have an awful lot of clowns working for them and those clowns are working within CE Standards.
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all they did was change the inlets to 30amp/120v while leaving the thinner wire
Do they also upgrade the main Circuit Breaker?
What is the distance between the 30amp/120v inlet and the main Circuit Breaker?
What is the size in mm of the thinner wire?
What type of construction is the thinner wire made of?
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Do they also upgrade the main Circuit Breaker?
What is the distance between the 30amp/120v inlet and the main Circuit Breaker?
What is the size in mm of the thinner wire?
What type of construction is the thinner wire made of?
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2. Depends on the boat.
3. See photo below and look it up yourself. The I.D. is on the conductor in the photo.
4. Don't know, it's not marked as required by North American Standards.

The photo below is cropped from a recent survey report of a French built boat and is typical of what I find at least once a week.
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1. No.
Then it is likely that the main Circuit Breaker is rated to protect the thinner wire from overloads.

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AC wires rated for 220volts on 120volt boats (French)
What is wrong with that?

Definitely European builders may do wonder why some peoples persist in using a voltage, 120 volts, that contribute more to Global warming.

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“AC/DC Bond: The AC and DC system grounds are not bonded as required.
Neutral/ground: As required AC neutral and grounding are not bonded on the vessel.”
For the good reasons that the above is unsafe.

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Some have hot and neutral reversed
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I think the EU codes for electrical are probably better, safer then ABYC. They require a GFCI main breaker where ABYC only requires GFCI outlets (I think- she says fingers crossed)
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[/B][/I]It also states that if using these materials you need to protect it in some sort of "anti-corrosive shield", perhaps a barrier coat......?????Someone try that and get back to me... The absurdity of saying it is okay to use materials that are not corrosion resistant is just, [I]well....[B]
Well I have a steel boat that is epoxy painted and does not show sign of corrosion after 14 years, so are the epoxy coated Saunders cast iron valves, the 20 years old main and alternator engines and so on.
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Well I have a steel boat that is epoxy painted and does not show sign of corrosion after 14 years, so are the epoxy coated Saunders cast iron valves, the 20 years old main and alternator engines and so on.[/QUOTE]

You are in dire need of some electrical training. You have too many misconceptions and misunderstanding for me to correct on this forum.
May I suggest one of the ABYC courses.
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