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19-11-2014, 22:56
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
I dont want to be negative but this boat is the right candidate for a gelcoat peeling job and a full barrier coat Project, and im sorry for the experience, i know how you feel because i do the same mistake in the past..
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20-11-2014, 06:14
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Registered User
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: SE Utah
Boat: 1981 Endeavour 37 & 1990 MacGregor 26 Classic
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
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Originally Posted by neilpride
I dont want to be negative but this boat is the right candidate for a gelcoat peeling job and a full barrier coat Project, and im sorry for the experience, i know how you feel because i do the same mistake in the past..
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Appreciate the comments but for a boat in this price range I just don't think that would be very cost effective and it was never suggested by the crew that did the blister repair and they have done hundreds of boat.
There were some large blisters but most were very small just lots of them. They were repaired correctly. It also now does have 3 full coats of Sea Hawk's epoxy barrier paint (equivalent to 6 coats of Interlux in build thickness) so does have a full barrier coat,
Sumner
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20-11-2014, 06:43
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
Since you were out of the water for so long, I think you have a much better chance of the repair taking.
I am no expert at all, but it seems most problems from blister repair that re-appear, it seems the common thread is the boat wasn't out of the water for very long
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20-11-2014, 06:58
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Registered User
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Location: SE Utah
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
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Originally Posted by a64pilot
Since you were out of the water for so long, I think you have a much better chance of the repair taking.
I am no expert at all, but it seems most problems from blister repair that re-appear, it seems the common thread is the boat wasn't out of the water for very long
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Yes we wanted to be careful about that. The larger ones were opened right when the boat came out and they didn't repair anything until there was no sign of drainage 7-8 months later. Then the boat sat another 14 months before the barrier paint and bottom paint went on and there was no further sign of any drainage.
Not saying nothing will ever happen again but it would probably be much more isolated. We put ablative paint on over the barrier paint that can go in and out of the water as our plan was to put her in the water 4-6 months out of the year and then on stands in the yard. Now with Ruth's passing and me having to sell the boat not sure what the new owners will end up doing but she is in a lot better condition now than before when she didn't have a proper whole hull barrier paint job,
Sumner
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20-11-2014, 07:33
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
I'm sorry to hear of your loss.
I don't what to say,
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20-11-2014, 15:41
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
sorry for your loss
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20-11-2014, 15:55
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
If the blisters were not structural you slap bottom paint over them and go cruising.
I've seen people waste thousands on small blisters that wouldn't have affected the structural integrity of the boat. The boat yards love to promote "Blisterphobia" and it makes them thousands in extra charges.
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20-11-2014, 19:06
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Location: daytona beach florida
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
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Originally Posted by SV THIRD DAY
If the blisters were not structural you slap bottom paint over them and go cruising.
I've seen people waste thousands on small blisters that wouldn't have affected the structural integrity of the boat. The boat yards love to promote "Blisterphobia" and it makes them thousands in extra charges.
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Upon being hauled out and scraping the bottom I was told by one of the local "entrepeneurs" that I had blisters and needed the bottom peeled and barrier coated. After giving him a serious sneer I condescendingly informed him that what he was looking at were the remains of the barnacles I had scraped off around the waterline, then questioned if he knew the difference between barnacles and blisters. He just turned and walked away.
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20-11-2014, 20:05
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
Even the worst uniflites were only cosmetically impaired by blisters. Kind of like acne in a teenager. Like beauty, its only skin deep.
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21-11-2014, 06:03
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Location: furycame alley , tropics, mexico for now
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
sum i am sad to hear of ruth's passing.
i hope all goes better for you as you recover from that hard loss.
unless the blisters are structural or wet, you shouldnt have to worry about them once a barrier coat is applied and bottom paint added.
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21-11-2014, 07:04
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Location: SE Utah
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
Thanks guys/gals for the condolences. Those of you who might of read our trip reports know how close Ruth and I were. We found each other late in life but the 6 years we had together were by far the best six years of my life. She was a special person that touched all those who she came into contact with. I'm hanging in there but only by keeping really busy. I'm making some major changes to the Macgregor anticipating some longer trips that she and I had planned. I'm taking the Mac down to the boat yard in Florida where the Endeavour is and will spend a month or so finishing the jobs we had not quite finished on her and then put her up for sale and take the Mac out staying on the West coast for a while and then down to the Keys and maybe over to the Bahamas.
About the blisters I agree that we could of done nothing. The boat had been in the water all her life and sure wasn't sinking when we bought her. I didn't do a good job of wording things evidently.
The point I was really trying to make was if you buy a boat at least pull her out and inspect the bottom. Then you can decide from there if she needs attention either structurally or cosmetically depending on your feelings about the latter.
In our case the boat was going to be up on stands in the yard for over half the year each year and we wanted her to look nice and could afford to work on the bottom and so that is what we did and were happy about it. We could of put on new bottom paint and left her alone and I'm sure she would of still been fine. We still should of pulled her out so we would of know then what was ahead of us one way or the other based on the boat's condition and our goals.
There is no 'yard crew' at Charlotte Harbor Boat Storage so no one was pressuring us to do this. There are crews and individuals that are insured that work in the yard along with working in other yards. You can do any work you want there or hire anyone as long as they are insured. We love the yard as you can live on the boat while working on her, they have about the lowest rates of any yard we found in Florida and fairly good hurricane protection being inland a ways on a fresh water canal system. If you need to stop cruising for a while to work on your boat it is a good option,
Sumner
P.S. In memory of Ruth:
http://www.sjrnews.com/view/full_sto...%A8?instance=1
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21-11-2014, 08:10
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Moderator Emeritus
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Ohio
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sumner
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Tough lesson - Always, always, always get a haulout...
Thanks for sharing
Sorry for your loss - time is so precious...
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21-11-2014, 08:18
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
I've spent a lot of sleepless nights about blisters... at least yours don't look as bad as two of my boats.
One boat I had was so saturated it had blisters inside the bilge also! The other had major blisters, some areas 2" x 6" and 3/16" deep. That boat got a quick "dig out, dry for a week and fill" job and then two years later a major bottom job.
It's depressing when "your baby" is sick....
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22-11-2014, 08:31
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Re: A mistake no one should repeat.....
Sumner,
Excellent job on detailing your considerable work. However, your choice of black bottom paint is THE WORST you can choose for storing/hauling a boat long term in South Florida. I tell you this from experience since after changing the color of my bottom paint to black Petit ablative, I suffered major rudder delamination over the Summer, in a yard on Tampa Bay, from the tremendous heat generated by the South Florida sun. I was fortunate that I did not have any delamination on my cored hull, but the rudder was a disaster. I finally repaired it over last Winter(in Illinois) and it is ,now, better than new. Once, opened for inspection, the rudder delaminated from both the skin and internally in the cored material from the unstoppable heat generated. At least, paint your rudder white if not the whole boat. Unless you live in the high latitudes, black bottom paint is the worst color for the tropics for boats that are hauled for long periods of time. Good luck, good sailing and condolences to you for your recent loss.
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