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Old 08-05-2011, 16:26   #16
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

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. Really its lighter than that? It has a 4000lb displacement.
Probably about the same actually, the rib had a 200 hp 4.2 litre Ford Dover engine in it. Fuelled up with kit on board weighed over 2000kgs.

However, your problem will be what happens when the boat is half off the trailer. Guess you have worked this out, but those wooden trailer bunks are going to create a pressure spot on the hull which will be taking quite a bit of weight. I would be worried that this localised pressure point could damage the hull and literally crack the hull.

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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

Now that I have seen the photos, I am concerned about those peices of wood also. They arent the skids i was thinking about. Also that Prop shaft isnt going to like being placed on the ground. You may need to drop the boat onto car/truck tyres to raise it up to clear the prop shaft and prevent damage from those wooden hull munchers..
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Old 08-05-2011, 21:28   #18
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

1. yeah that is the lowest point.
2. There are two runners supporting the bow on either side instead of wooden planks.

I like the using tires idea. Just seems like its really likely I would damage the boat trying to put it on the ground.
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Old 08-05-2011, 21:57   #19
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

Hi Stubborndancer. I used to live in Missoula. A great place to live. I kept my Santana 22 on a cradle behind my house on 3rd and Garfield. Here is what I would do in your situation. Jack the trailer wheels up and build a grid of 4x4's to put under the wheels the goal is to get the wheels another 12" to 18" off the ground. From there lower the tongue of the trailer so it is on the ground. The stern of the boat will then be 3' to 4' off the ground. build cribbing of 4 x 4 's under the stern. Next lift the tongue of the trailer as high as you can get it. If you want to remove the trailer you will need to stretch a beam or a strap under the boat to support it while removing the trailer. the other choice is to just support the bow and lower the trailer leaving it under the boat.
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Old 08-05-2011, 22:12   #20
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

You might consider digging a trench for the prop shaft to inter into for clearance.

Wide enough to allow tilting to port and starboard without contact to earth.

Be careful, that's nice looking boat.

Looks like tilting the trailer to prevent the localized pressure on the wood runners is in order, but how to pull the trailer while tilted is a puzzle.

Maybe rig a pull from the trailer axle and tongue simultaneously while tilted up at an angle.

BTW, I second the idea of Montana as a beautiful state, covered it N,S,E,W riding a motorcycle in the 80's, canoed the Missouri for two weeks also. Wonderful place.
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

A prop and shaft are not a problem as you can dig a trench that aligns with the centerline of the keel/prop/shaft. As the boat trailer is dragged out from under the boat that equipment is hanging free in the trench you provided for it.
- - Same with putting the boat back on the trailer. If you are really paranoid about the thing you can cobble together a "bra" that sits under the boat and surrounds the prop/shaft/strut area while the boat is off the trailer.
- - The whole thing about cruising and trailer sailing is your own ingenuity and ability to devise solutions to simple problems. So the process could be something like -
1. engage brain;
2. tie boat transom to tree,
3. check alignment of prop/shaft/strut protection device,
4. Put car/truck into low and drag trailer out from under the boat;
5. block boat with chocks, mattresses, pillows and any other devices as necessary to protect the boats hull and topsides.
6. Ad nauseum to reverse the process.
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Old 08-05-2011, 23:02   #22
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Lots of great suggestions. I'll probably go with the trench suggestions. I'd rather avoid lifting the boat up if I can. Probably wont be doing this until next weekend, but I'll make sure to let you guys know how it goes.

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In my mind getting it back on the trailer would be the hard part.
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Old 08-05-2011, 23:35   #24
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Yeah I agree. when I get the boat off I may round the edges of that bored a bit and attach some carpet or something to them lol.
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

The alternative is not to take the boat off the trailer. If the 4 wooden bunks and supporting steel were replaced with more normal trailer bunks they can be adjusted and lowered individually to apply antifoul paint. There is a good chance the lifting keel will foul the axles if they go across the trailer, if so once the bunk have been changed, lowering the two rear ones would allow the boat to be slid back half way supported on tyres and the stern and the keel lowered.

If you were planning to keep her a long time then this would be a good option so you can antifoul her at home each spring.

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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

You've gotten some suggestions so far and let me weigh in on how I've done it with several different kinds of boats. I use 2x12s long enough to go athwart the trailer wheels and raise the boat far enough using jacks to place 55 gal. drums under the 2x12s then drive the trailer out. Get yourself a lot of blocking. Drive your trailer up on car ramps. Unhook the tongue of your trailer and lower it to the ground and that will put the stern of your boat pretty high. Put the 2x12 crossways under the transom and if it is high enough then place the 55 gal drums under the 2x12. If it isn't high enough then jack the trailer up high enough the get the drums under the 2x12. Block and brace the stern of the hull on the 2x12 so there is equal pressure along the 2x12. Once the stern is stable on the 2x12 with a drum on each end of the 2x12 its time to concentrate on the bow. The idea is to get a 2x12 long enough to place 2 55 gal drums one on each end far enough apart to drive the trailer out once the boat is raised. Raise the tongue of the boat as high as you can, put the 2x12 across under the boat on top of the trailer. Brace the forward 2x12 to provide equal pressure on the hull along the 2x12 then start jacking the 2x12 up until you can get the barrels under the ends of the 2x12. Drive the trailer out and you have the boat high enough to work on the boat bottom, centerboard and anything else under there.
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

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In my mind getting it back on the trailer would be the hard part.
Again, getting the boat back on the trailer is, IMHO, the easiest part. I just disconnect the trailer from the car/truck and position the trailer aft-most center-roller under the boat's bow eye bolt then attach the trailer winch cable to the boat's bow eye bolt cleat.
- - Operating the trailer winch to grind in the cable forces, ever so gently, the trailer rollers back down the keel of the boat as you grind in the cable using the trailer winch. The "tongue" of the trailer elevates quite high up into the air until a couple of trailer rollers get under the keel of the boat. Then the bow of the boat is cantilevered up and dragged over the trailer rollers until the whole boat is into its final resting position.
- - This is the part that is easiest if you have a "jack-knifing" type trailer system that allows the main body of the trailer to jack-knife open to accept the keel/bottom of the boat. You can reattach the trailer "tongue" to the car/truck ball and when completion of the winching of the boat onto the trailer is accomplished, the whole trailer/boat combination will be "flat" and perfectly aligned. Simple as a hot knife through a ceramic butter patty - so to speak.
- - Some boat trailers have rear corner vertical uprights with vertical rollers that guide the boat so that it remains perfectly symmetrical onto the top of the trailer. On trailers without those vertical guide rollers, I stuff a vertical piece or two of 2x4 into the area back there so as to operate like a guide as I winch the boat onto the trailer. Then remove the two "guide" beams before moving the trailer/boat combination. The written description is much more involved than an actual practice of doing it. Piece of cake . . .
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

Okok... its time to look at this whole job from another perspective.. Is the boat going to live on the trailer and only put in the water when its being used, ( say weekends etc)? Or is it going into a pen or mooring.

If its spending most of the time on the trailer, you wont need to antifoul at all. You only need to have antifoul if the boat is going to live in the water permanently. Even if its in for a month, you can usually, give it a scrub here and there and keep the bum clean. Just thought I should ask that question, it could save you a lot of time and effort if this is the case.
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Re: A Little Help with How to Lift My Boat Up

In fact if Ozskipper's suggestion is valid, you can utilize the new Zinc Oxide based ablative bottom paint that is perfect for trailer-boats. Thin, white and slippery with zero growth for limited time in the water boats. Very impressive stuff but not made for permanently in-water boats.
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I actually wasn't going to repaint it. It is going to be living in the water for the summer in flathead lake and then be kept on the trailer for the winter.

What I was planning on doing was stripping the ablative paint off, and then trying to restore the gel coat. There are some pretty big dings and scratches that could use fixed, and the whole boat would look a lot better with some polishing and such.

I'll be up there ever weekend on it, and scrubbing the bottom while its in the water doesn't bother me at all.
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