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Old 18-02-2014, 08:58   #1
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The $100,000 80hp outboard

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The Torqeedo Deep Blue 80 system with four batteries (and a total capacity of 52 kwh) runs close to $100,000
Torqeedo Deep Blue Outboard and Hybrid: Electrifying Power - Articles - boats.com

How can someone think a 80hp outboard can sell for $100,000 ?

These guys needs some serious competition, that is for sure.
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Old 18-02-2014, 09:06   #2
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Re: The $100,000 80hp outboard

A Tesla outboard?
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Old 18-02-2014, 09:28   #3
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Re: The $100,000 80hp outboard

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Torqeedo Deep Blue Outboard and Hybrid: Electrifying Power - Articles - boats.com

How can someone think a 80hp outboard can sell for $100,000 ?

These guys needs some serious competition, that is for sure.
Hell Jack, $100 grand? That's chump change for the high rollers on this website
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Re: The $100,000 80hp outboard

Caption under a photo in the article reads, "Torqeedo aims to bring electric powered boats into the main-stream, with both outboards and hybrid power systems."

Obviously their customers are swimming in a very different stream that I.
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Re: The $100,000 80hp outboard

Jack, not such a stretch. $20K for the outboard, $80K for the batteries. For a commercial operator running a fleet 10 hours per day it would be cheaper in the long run.

The energy density and cost of batteries is being addressed with new breakthroughs. In the sport aviation community there is now about 6 electric airplane offerings. As we transition from fossil fuel to stored electrons for cars, the price will come down and the energy density will go up.
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Bull whatever, batteries are just a carrier for energy, you end up burning fossil fuel to charge the batteris, just like hydrogen powered cars were once the rage, where does the hydrogen come from? Electricity from coal burning plants.
Show me one viable electric airplane, viable means able to actually go somewhere, not a glider with an electric motor.
Sometimes electric is the only viable option though and only then it makes sense. The scooter I use cave diving for example, how else other than electric? It's a kilowatt hour LI-PO battery, ain't cheap either http://www.silent-submersion.com/Pro...us/Magnus.html
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Re: The $100,000 80hp outboard

Solar technology for charging batteries has already come a long way these past 15 years. Add a wind turbine and boats can become quite the little power station. Okay, admittedly things are not good enough for a decent aerocraft but for a boat sitting on or moving through water it's a viable option to diesel/petrol powered electrical generation.

As for batteries, technology is also changing: A research team of scientists at Harvard are developing a "flow" storage battery, based on organic materials rather than traditional metals.

Yes, the concept probably has more to do with "grid" applications right now but, IMHO, somebody will figure out a way to scale it down. Someday...

Quick synopsis from the article: "...[T]he Harvard free flow battery relies on the electrochemistry of naturally abundant, inexpensive, small, organic carbon-based "quinone" molecules, which are similar to those that store energy in plants and animals."

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Harvard Research Team has Breakthrough on Battery Storage
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$100k is a completely ridiculous amount for an 80hp outboard. Only someone with far more dollars than sense would buy one.

The fact that battery technology is changing has nothing to do with it. Some day, down the line, in the future, maybe, possibly, then the batteries will be available to make this a viable alternative. But right now, today, they are trying to sell this thing for $100K. You'd have to be certifiably insane to spend that for an 80hp outboard!
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$100k is a completely ridiculous amount for an 80hp outboard. Only someone with far more dollars than sense would buy one.

The fact that battery technology is changing has nothing to do with it. Some day, down the line, in the future, maybe, possibly, then the batteries will be available to make this a viable alternative. But right now, today, they are trying to sell this thing for $100K. You'd have to be certifiably insane to spend that for an 80hp outboard!
Yes, someday, eventually but for now, except for a few limited applications electric power for boats is not feasible, either due to cost or restrictions on range and run time.

In this case for the cost of the $100,000 electric outboard you could be a brand new gas powered unit and pay for the gas for many years.
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How you can recharge 80hp of batteries everyday would take another $1,000k of solar panels..

However, having electric motors and generating the electricity from other sources, including gas, diesel, wind, solar, sails, DOES have merit,
and must be why they bought the hybrid company.

Maybe that was misprint, and it is a 800hp outboard, which $100k makes sense.
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Bull whatever, batteries are just a carrier for energy, you end up burning fossil fuel to charge the batteris, just like hydrogen powered cars were once the rage, where does the hydrogen come from? Electricity from coal burning plants.
Show me one viable electric airplane, viable means able to actually go somewhere, not a glider with an electric motor.
Sometimes electric is the only viable option though and only then it makes sense. The scooter I use cave diving for example, how else other than electric? It's a kilowatt hour LI-PO battery, ain't cheap either http://www.silent-submersion.com/Pro...us/Magnus.html
No kidding huh???

Somebody mentioned the other day about the strides compressed air rides are making.... I casually explained that compressed air cars were around in the 1800's... AND that ALL all internal combustion engines are compressed air cars.... We just make the energy conversion in the vehicle instead of at the powerplant.... Then the compressor....

PS: I'm putting an electrical pigtail in the back bumper of my expedition so I can park it in the front of the grocery store....
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Think customer, singular. This is simply proof of concept. The real money is govt contracts where one does not even need to succeed to be in the money. Think Solyndra, et al. The green in green energy is fiat money.
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No kidding huh???


PS: I'm putting an electrical pigtail in the back bumper of my expedition so I can park it in the front of the grocery store....
Brilliant idea! Hurry up to bring those to market. Market them as a gag like the pet rock. Make million$.
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Brilliant idea! Hurry up to bring those to market. Market them as a gag like the pet rock. Make million$.
I'm sayin!

I'd even wire it to a battery or a load device so it drew....
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If you put an alternator on the electric motor it would charge itself. Problem solved. ;-)

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