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Old 14-05-2015, 13:25   #16
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

Here's the PDF of the manual
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...93564037,d.cGU
Here's the other manual for that engine
http://www.kp44.org/ftp/Perkins_4-154_Shop_Manual.pdf
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Old 14-05-2015, 13:31   #17
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

Do the trouble shooting to determine the problem first. You can take a volt meter and measure across a battery post to battery terminal for instance and see if the voltage drop is about 0.2 volts. Also measure from negative ground to its termination point, from positive battery post to cable terminal, from cable to solenoid and from solenoid on its other terminal to starter. I have also had pretty good luck just cranking for 30 seconds and then quickly moving my hand from terminal to terminal looking for a hot one. Be a little cautious as you could burn yourself. The problem here is the heat dissipates in 30 seconds or so. If all terminals are hot, consider a shorted starter.
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

4 months is not a long time for a Diesel to sit. Listen to these good suggestions especially about prolonged attempts with sea cock open and potential flooding causing a hydraulic water lock bending a rod.
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

Ether will bypass rings and wash off oil from cylinder walls.WD40 is more oil base and not as harmful. I've never had a issue with conservatively using WD40.....
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

You could try using 'Start ya Bastard', a good Aussie product made by Nulon and containing 25% ether. Only a very short squirt is needed.
Alternatively you could use the English method whereby, one politely requests the engine to start, after tickling it in the appropriate places with the right tools.
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

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WD-40 sprayed into the air intake is a much safer alternative to ether. Make sure you are not standing over the intake in case of blowback.
Agreed. Ether should not be used, but if you need to help an engine start in an emergency, WD40 is generally safe and effective.
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Old 15-05-2015, 07:34   #22
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

It could be the battery needs a charge. Take a digital volt meter and measure the battery voltage after the battery has been sitting at least six hours with no charge or discharge. If the voltage is 12.65 the battery is fully charged. If it is 12.06 volts, it has only 25% of the charge it can old. At 11.89 volts, the battery is completely discharged. A hydrometer can also be used to determine state if charge.
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

Starting to remind me of the anti-soldering lobby. If one isn't competent, then by all means, hire somebody to do it for you. An interesting article on dimethyl ether (starting fluid): Volvo Thinks the Fuel of the Future is DME – and It’s Almost Here - Article - TruckingInfo.com


Also, I don't know how many of you've tried WD40 as a starting fluid lately, but they've changed their propellant from LPG (propane or butane) to CO2, so I'm interested to hear how that works out for you...
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

So that's what happened to the can of wd40 I recently sprayed into my air intake. Thanks for clearing it up!


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[...]Also, I don't know how many of you've tried WD40 as a starting fluid lately, but they've changed their propellant from LPG (propane or butane) to CO2, so I'm interested to hear how that works out for you...
CO2 propellant would make it perfectly safe!
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newhaul =good chap !
The above is where one should always start.
I suspect your starter motor in good stead and so I would crack fuel lines above each injector one by one to be certain fuel getting to injectors.
Certainly battery connections may require attention also.Most common IC engine malady.
Insure batteries are FULLY charged and commence starting procedure. WD40
squirt in MIST form is correct to assist.



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Old 15-05-2015, 23:30   #27
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

Wd 40 is good it seals worn rings to increase compression for the first couple critical starting revolutions in an engine also I have used a propane torch to heat the air in the intake to help start when cold as a marine mechanic and having read the op of the thread I would recommend first checking the cleanliness and integrity of the hot and ground cables. Especially the ground
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

...certainly, increasing compression is going to help with a slow starting speed. Don't know the effect of increasing CO2 concentration from 4 ten thousandths percent to 2-3 percent but would be curious to find out...
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

Actually the total added co2 with a short squirt of wd40 would be insignificant there is 21% oxygen in the air and combustion will happen down to if I remember my gas free engineering days ( 20 odd years ago) about 15%. Also the WD lubricates the cylinder
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Re: Starter fluid in diesel?

I have run diesels on wd40 for an entire can getting them running, try that with ether and see what you have left
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