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Old 20-08-2014, 00:20   #16
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Hi Ted, just in the slow process of swapping out my old bukh 20dv for a secondhand nanni 30 hp. I seriously considered a new beta 35, nice engines (they do do white paint as well as red).

Franklin marine in the huon sell and install betas down here. I think it was around the 12k-13k mark all up for a 43hp about a year ago.

I have seen some volvo and yanmar spares prices so didnt want to touch them. $50 for a small bolt painted greenÖ ouch.

Whats up with the old motor?
I don't think I'd be interested in putting another Volvo in it. Like you say $50 for a green bolt. I'm getting quite interested in the Beta. I've not had time today but I'll give them a ring.

My turbo charger is apparently warn from the inside. I think we will put a recon kit in it $100 and just nurse it for a year or two. It's just going throw oil out into the ocean but should gain me at least a year maybe two whilst I purpose save.
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Old 20-08-2014, 01:09   #17
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Hi Ted,

I replaced by old clapped out Yanmar with a Beta 35hp.

I found the guys in Sydney really helpful. Cost of engine a bit below the Yanmar equivalent. I also found that Beta have a range of mounting feet which I ordered the specific feet for my hull.

In short I am extremely happy with the beta and installation was easier.

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Old 20-08-2014, 02:49   #18
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Thanks.

I didn't have time today to ring yanmar and beta. Hopefully I will do so tomorrow. Despite the colour, I'm now starting to lean towards Beta.

It's strange and frustrating that neither company seem to have email addresses you can contact sales on to get a price..

I'm fairly certain I can fit a new system myself, thereby saving a heap. And looking particularly at the beta, I think it would easily slip into my currant foot print.

I can't purchase a volvo that will fit into the same footprint as the 2003, without some minor modifications, so there is little incentive to go Volvo. Except perhaps if I need a new prop due to change of direction if rotation.
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Old 20-08-2014, 03:04   #19
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I suppose one reason why so many Beta customers seem happy to recommend their engines is that Beta tends to specialise in re-engining, rather than supplying engines as original equipment. It probably gives them a different mindset as they have to deal with lots of individual customers, rather than a handful of large boat builders. Likewise their local agents are more likely to have lots of experience of installation rather than just servicing and repair. Just a thought.

PS I quite like the red!
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I suppose one reason why so many Beta customers seem happy to recommend their engines is that Beta tends to specialise in re-engining, rather than supplying engines as original equipment. It probably gives them a different mindset as they have to deal with lots of individual customers, rather than a handful of large boat builders. Likewise their local agents are more likely to have lots of experience of installation rather than just servicing and repair. Just a thought.

PS I quite like the red!
I'll admit those two things that are moving me towards them. Firstly that so many people seem to be recommending them and they certainly seem to be aimed at 'me', which is influencing me. When it comes down to it though, it will probably depend on the attitude of whoever our local supplier is and their helpfulness or otherwise.
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Quite right. Work with people you like and who want the business!
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Ted,

Beta email sales@betadiesel.com.au

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How much is a new turbo? Got to be better than spending 12 grand and a heap of work.
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Re: Replacement Engine Prices

i just rebuilt my perkins 4-108 fro under 3000 usd. entirely and completely rebuilt including injector pump and injectors.
all internal parts new. nice n tight like a baby virgin.
also rebuilding 2 starters, one of which was declared unrebuildable...lol.... i love unrebuildable, as it is always rebuildable. now they are rebuilding rule pumps lol....
by the time i leave here the workings of my boat will be perfect. and i will have dumped into it less than 4000 usd TOTAL including engine rebuild, tank creation and install, and mizzen step repair vs replacement.
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i just rebuilt my perkins 4-108 fro under 3000 usd. entirely and completely rebuilt including injector pump and injectors.
all internal parts new. nice n tight like a baby virgin.
also rebuilding 2 starters, one of which was declared unrebuildable...lol.... i love unrebuildable, as it is always rebuildable. now they are rebuilding rule pumps lol....
by the time i leave here the workings of my boat will be perfect. and i will have dumped into it less than 4000 usd TOTAL including engine rebuild, tank creation and install, and mizzen step repair vs replacement.
I cringe at your phraseology, but understand your intent.

Spending $4G on a total rebuild with a good product as the end result is I think sensible. But to spend what I need to do, which is around another $3g on top of the $1000 I have spent this year already for the heat exhanger replacement and engine mounts (just two), is not financially sensible when the engine itself is an unknown. I know there is some cylinder head pressure and oil escaping into the manifold. Which I'll be living with for at least the next year maybe two years. But spending that amount of money on an engine that I know I'm going to have to rebuild sometime in the near future is just wasteful. I'm satisfied that I need to cut my losses, start saving for a replacement either next year or the year after. Which is frustrating because I was planning on a sand blast and new paint job for next year and that aint happening now given the engine situation. But as my mechanic advises, if I'm happy with the turbo leaking oil into the our pristine ocean environment I can probably put up with it for a few years to come.

But I'm also lucky in the sense that my engine bay has plenty of room and being steel it appears to be a simple exchange project. I'll measure up this week and see what I come up with. BETA provide some great drawings for people like me to work out what will go in there and what feet to use.
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Re: Replacement Engine Prices

Ted, I think that another reason folks like Betas is their use of Kubota base engines. These are well known for reliability and robustness. They are basically small tractor engines, and no one beats up an engine like a farmer, or more likely his hired hand who doesn't have to do tractor maintenance!

We yotties tend to baby our engines by comparison!

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Better than that even. A friend who imports Kubota tractors in Melbourne pointed out they were designed for rice paddy work and hence spent much of their life partially submerged. So life on a well maintained yacht is dry and cozy by comparison.

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I was recently quoted $13.7K for a Yanmar 4JH5E (53 HP) including gearbox, mounts, panel, 125 amp internally regulated alternator not including installation. I am also going to look at Beta if for no other reason than that Yanmar basically mandates a 3" exhaust which would be a major pain and expensive change on my boat from the existing 2.5".

I'm going through some similar choices now and economics of rebuild vs. repower can vary hugely depending on how much rebuilding the engine needs, how much work the owner is willing/able to do, parts availability and pricing, local labor rates, and even the design of the engine and engine room itself. I figure just the parts to rebuild my engine and transmission would be at least $3K and the labor at $90+/hour could easily outstrip that. I donít see putting $6K or more into my 21 year old engine with 3600 hours and dwindling parts availability to be an economically sound choice. To me itís less about rebuild vs. repower and more about repower vs. doing the bare minimum I can to keep my engine running and relatively reliable until it dies or becomes unbearably unreliable.
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I was recently quoted $13.7K for a Yanmar 4JH5E (53 HP) including gearbox, mounts, panel, 125 amp internally regulated alternator not including installation. I am also going to look at Beta if for no other reason than that Yanmar basically mandates a 3" exhaust which would be a major pain and expensive change on my boat from the existing 2.5".

I'm going through some similar choices now and economics of rebuild vs. repower can vary hugely depending on how much rebuilding the engine needs, how much work the owner is willing/able to do, parts availability and pricing, local labor rates, and even the design of the engine and engine room itself. I figure just the parts to rebuild my engine and transmission would be at least $3K and the labor at $90+/hour could easily outstrip that. I donít see putting $6K or more into my 21 year old engine with 3600 hours and dwindling parts availability to be an economically sound choice. To me itís less about rebuild vs. repower and more about repower vs. doing the bare minimum I can to keep my engine running and relatively reliable until it dies or becomes unbearably unreliable.
Thats a good quote. The list price for the 53hp is close to $17k. I got a price today for the 39hp with the optional panel got $12k.

I rang Beta Australia and couldn't even get them to answer the phone... I'll try again tomorrow. yanmar dealer exceptionally helpful and turned out to be someone I know.
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My Volvo 2003 with 120SB saildrive are now 30 years old and I am considering replacement options including (a) Beta/Nanni engine with the existing saildrive and (b) Beta/Nanni with shaft drive. Interested to hear from anybody who has completed either of these saildrive replacement project types.
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