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Old 19-11-2009, 10:33   #16
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Six-pac = OUPV= Operator of Uninspected Passenger Vessel= no requirement

33CFR183 subpart J is only for gasoline powered boats
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Old 19-11-2009, 10:42   #17
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I pulled the engine on a boat that had suffered from a minor case of alternatorflameritis, compounded by a case of foaminsulationburnerus. The flame sheilded filter bowl had melted. The flame shield was intact.
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Old 20-11-2009, 18:52   #18
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Ah yes.....reminds me of a case of

Vetusmufflerus meltii due to Thruhullinum closedofferus.

replaced unit and da-da-da DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHH(trumpet sound)

Customer melted it the following week....again......

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I pulled the engine on a boat that had suffered from a minor case of alternatorflameritis, compounded by a case of foaminsulationburnerus. The flame sheilded filter bowl had melted. The flame shield was intact.
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Old 20-11-2009, 19:04   #19
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at least the vetus melts before the hose.........centek mufflers tend to hold in there after the hose has gone south.
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Old 20-11-2009, 20:19   #20
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Neither the CFR's, Canada Shipping Act or ABYC standards refer to "Heat shields" in any way.
Below is the standard comment I make in my surveys in this regard. Note that all referenced standards refer to pleasure craft.


"Canada Shipping Act – TP1332E 7.7.1 and the US Code of Federal Regulations Title 33 183.590 requires every fuel filter or strainer shall meet the fire resistance requirements for fuel systems set forth in ABYC Standards for Small Craft H-24.5.7 unless the filter or strainer is inside the fuel tank".

None of the Racors with plastic bowls and without heat shields meet this requirement.
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Old 20-11-2009, 20:37   #21
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The Point is that Subpart J applies to Gasoline Engines

Subpart J—Fuel Systems


Source: CGD 74–209, 42 FR 5950, Jan. 31, 1977, unless otherwise noted.
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§ 183.501 Applicability.

(a) This subpart applies to all boats that have gasoline engines, except outboard engines, for electrical generation, mechanical power, or propulsion.


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Neither the CFR's, Canada Shipping Act or ABYC standards refer to "Heat shields" in any way.
Below is the standard comment I make in my surveys in this regard. Note that all referenced standards refer to pleasure craft.


"Canada Shipping Act – TP1332E 7.7.1 and the US Code of Federal Regulations Title 33 183.590 requires every fuel filter or strainer shall meet the fire resistance requirements for fuel systems set forth in ABYC Standards for Small Craft H-24.5.7 unless the filter or strainer is inside the fuel tank".

None of the Racors with plastic bowls and without heat shields meet this requirement.
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You mean refer to pleasure craft with gasoline engines?

Subpart J—Fuel Systems

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OURCE: CGD 74–209, 42 FR 5950, Jan. 31,

1977, unless otherwise noted.
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ENERAL

§ 183.501 Applicability.
(a) This subpart applies to all boats
that have gasoline engines, except outboard
engines, for electrical generation,

mechanical power, or propulsion.

Edit: I see I spend too much time with my posts, I have repeated Chief's post.
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Below is the standard comment I make in my surveys in this regard. Note that all referenced standards refer to pleasure craft.


"Canada Shipping Act – TP1332E 7.7.1 and the US Code of Federal Regulations Title 33 183.590 requires every fuel filter or strainer shall meet the fire resistance requirements for fuel systems set forth in ABYC Standards for Small Craft H-24.5.7 unless the filter or strainer is inside the fuel tank".


None of the Racors with plastic bowls and without heat shields meet this requirement.


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Clarification .....

CFR's refer only to gasoline engines.

ABYC H-33, Diesel Fuel systems 33.5.6 requires " all individual components of the fuel distribution system, as installed in the boat, shall be capable of withstanding a 2 1/2" minute exposure to free burning fuel (N-Heptane), or No.2 diesel fuel without leakage, when tested in accordance with Title 33 CFR, Section 183.590, Fire Test.

My correspondence with Racor indicates that none of their plastic bowl filters without heat shields have ever been tested to this standard, therefore do not meet ABYC Standards or Transport Canada TP1332E Standards for placement in compartments containing diesel engines or fuel tanks.

My ABYC Standards Certification course is coming up in two weeks, I'll raise the issue again. I have had this discussion with Transport Canada Department of Marine Safey and they agree with my position. Eight of their investigators will be attending the same course here at Port Credit Yacht Club ( where I live on my boat).
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ABYC wants $25.00 for their book of standards. You would think they would have it in the public domain

CFR 33 Subpart J refers to Gasoline Engines only.

If the Racor Turbine Series Filters with heat shields are not approved, why are they sold with the "MA" designation?
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I think your $25.00 price for the standards is little out of date. You must be an ABYC member to purchase them. I think this years invoice (membership at latest issue of standards) was $500.00 (converted to Canadian).
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ABYC wants $25.00 for their book of standards. You would think they would have it in the public domain

CFR 33 Subpart J refers to Gasoline Engines only.

If the Racor Turbine Series Filters with heat shields are not approved, why are they sold with the "MA" designation?
Like NFPA, ABYC is a business, though not for profit businesses.

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I think your $25.00 price for the standards is little out of date. You must be an ABYC member to purchase them. I think this years invoice (membership at latest issue of standards) was $500.00 (converted to Canadian).
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