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Old 30-06-2008, 08:21   #1
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Here's an idea

I posted a thread on food asking if anyone put a still on their boat and Knotybouyz gave me the idea of using moonshine for fuel but i think it would only work on gas engines but its cheaper than gas at $4 a gallon.
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Old 30-06-2008, 13:43   #2
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It's already done and it's called Methanol and I imagine cheaper than moonshine :-) But yes it will only work in Petrol Engines.
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Thanks for the reply Mr. Alan I appreciate what you said.
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It can also ruin fiberglass tanks, fuel hoses, gaskets, etc.
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Oh i'm sure it could,but think of it this way if you ever runout of water you can always drink the engines fuel without killing yourself!
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Bad idea Otter. The first product of a still in Methanol.
Methanol is toxic. If you are not already impaired, you are likely to throw up most of the methanol you consume, which will dehydrate you.
Wikipedia says:
'Alcohol has been known to mitigate the production of the ADH (antidiuretic hormone), which is a hormone that acts on the kidney, favoring water reabsorption in the kidneys during filtration. This occurs because alcohol confuses osmoreceptors in the hypothalamus, which relay osmotic pressure information to the posterior pituitary, the site of ADH release. Alcohol makes the osmoreceptors signal as if there was a too low osmotic pressure in the blood, which triggers an inhibition of ADH. Consequently, one's kidneys are no longer able to reabsorb as much water as they should be absorbing, leading to creation of excessive volumes of urine and subsequently overall dehydration.'
Dehydration is not a desireable result if you're original problem was not enough water.
Your intent was to stay alive, not to opt out.
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On top of that, drinking methanol makes you blind.
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I think you meant ethanol which is being added to gas now in ratio's of 10% ethanol to 90% gasoline. There are many problems with ethanol as a fuel, one it absorbs water, two it eats most fuel lines, tanks, gaskets, rubber parts, etc and third it gives a 25% loss in power.

This means if you burn 3 GPH now you will burn 4 GPH to go the same speed and HP rating.

Overall not a good source for fuel. I might add that a boater has sued the oil companies for the destruction it did to his engine and fuel system. It will be interesting to see how this law suit goes. It might stop all ethanol for marine applications.
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On top of that, drinking methanol makes you blind.
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I must disagree with CaptHead on several points but he raises some good issues. I think that Wikipedia has a very good discussion about ethanol as a fuel. It is true that that ethanol/gasoline blends must be a richer fuel/air ratio than straight gasoline. It is true that fuel systems need to be designed for the ethanol in ethanol/gasoline blends.
In my opinion corn is a good food and a bad fuel feedstock. But, a little ethanol can be a very good thing to add to gasoline. Some plants can be much better ethanol producers than corn.
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All my points are verifiable.

Here is a much better alternative to ethanol. It is called Butanol. ethanol only has 2 carbon atoms and as such it is a weaker alcohol as fuel. Butanol has 4 carbon atoms and has almost the same BTU per gallon as gasoline. In fact, you can use Butanol as a direct replacement for gasoline powered cars with no power loss, no destruction of fuel systems and storage problems.

Let me address the storage problem with ethanol. It can't be sent in pipelines so it can only be trucked. That causes air pollution, higher costs, etc. Butanol can be shipped by pipeline.

A car run on 100% butanol has emission tests showing it produces no Sox or Nox, thereby yielding additional significant environmental benefit. The same can be said about ethanol but running a car on 100% ethanol will result in a 25% decrease in fuel mileage.

I know the cars of today are built with ethanol resistant rubber, gaskets, plastic and fuel lines so a newer car/boat isn't going to see a problem.

I have an 8 HP Johnson and I always run the engine with the fuel line off so it runs out all the fuel in the carb. It is a 2001 and I bought it new. Last year I left the fuel line attached on a three day weekend and it softened the rubber on the float valve seat which in turn made it not run properly and in fact it stopped running.

I had to buy a new carb gasket set and I specifically asked if it was ethanol resistant, they told me it was and all the new sets are now. Builders are catching up.

My last boat was a gas inboard and I had a computer that did MPG, Miles covered, GPH, etc. It had an inline measuring device which was FFA cert. at 99.9 gals per 100 for accuracy. It softened and almost filled my boat with raw gas, all from only a 9.9% mix of ethanol. The fuel dock was Union 76 and they don't have to report ethanol until it is a 10% mix. I called the mfg of the computer, told them what happened and they had a new alcohol resistant one made and shipped by the next week.

Please look up butanol and what they are doing with it and spread the word. It is made from biomass just like ethanol and I read they have improved the yield now to where it is cost effective and can be a viable alternative green fuel.
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A car run on 100% butanol has emission tests showing it produces no Sox or Nox, thereby yielding additional significant environmental benefit. The same can be said about ethanol but running a car on 100% ethanol will result in a 25% decrease in fuel mileage.
Look on the web site ButylFuel,LLC Main Page : 110,000 BTU/gallon in butanol, vs 84,000 BTU/gallon in ethanol. The ethanol car sees about 25% fewer miles per gallon because there is 25% less fuel in a gallon of ethanol. Unless you are concerned about range between refuelings, there isn't really any difference there at all.

People usually equate "decreased fuel mileage" with "increased operating cost", but that is only valid if you are paying the same amount for fuel.

For example, that company's web site says butanol costs $6.80 per gallon in a 55 gallon drum. If you can get ethanol for less than about $5.19 per gallon, then you get more miles per dollar with the ethanol.

They claim they have a new patented technique that reduces the cost of producing butanol. That may change the price of butanol, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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I think that web page is dated but it goes to show you, some people are hard to convince.

New Techniques Create Butanol, A Superior Biofuel

This is dated 1/28/08
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I think it is dumb idea to use the food we eat for generating Ethanol. All it has done is driven up the cost of corn and done virtually nothing to clean up the air.

Hi Cowboy Sailor....FYI, I really need to strain my eyes to read that font. My monitor is a high quality one and I just got a new eyeglass prescription! Just thought I would let ya know.

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