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Old 21-10-2011, 20:08   #31
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Re: gas station diesel vs marine diesel

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For what it's worth, I get my gasoline this way and for this reason to run in my other, Atomic 4 powered boat. Sequential two-gallon jerry cans of fresh gas are better than a full tank taken on mid-season that's been in the buried tank for three months, I find. Since I started this, I haven't had to break down a carb to clean it.

Your mileage, no pun intended, may vary.
we had huge problems with our 20hp Tohasu on the RIB dinghy. You had to run with the choke out or you had to rev the engine continually (and I mean every 1/2 second) to keep it going. Getting up on plane was difficult to do if at all.

I had bought the gas at a nearby marina in the spring. The gas probably sat there all winter.

Then I actually ran out of gas, had to tilt the gas tank to get the last 200 feet to our boat. I took the 3.8 gallon gas can to the most popular gas stationin town and filled it up.

After that, the engine ran like it was BRAND NEW. It was amazing. I was ready to send the outboard to a mechanic. It was very frustrating.

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Old 21-10-2011, 22:18   #32
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I plan on going to the gas station to cause its waaaaay cheaper then the fuel dock. I could be wroung but I think the fuel docks have a higher tax on the diesel fuel they sell
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Old 19-10-2012, 16:15   #33
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Re: Gas Station Diesel vs Marine Diesel

I would check with my engine mechanic before using the "road fuel". Just an opinion!
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Re: Gas Station Diesel vs Marine Diesel

Diesel, even if it doesn't have "Bio" stuff in it, will still grow algae. Hard to believe, but I've seen it happen.

I wouldn't be to picky about where the fuel came from as long as it is fresh. It doesn't matter if it is red or yellow. I've even used Jet A in a diesel generator.

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Old 19-10-2012, 18:28   #35
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Re: Gas Station Diesel vs Marine Diesel

Interestingly several states now make it illegal to put red dyed diesel in recreational boats. New York is one of these. Of course I did not buy fuel there on my trip down the east coast this fall. The way the law reads it is illegal to have red dyed diesel in a recreational boat, not just illegal to pump it in the state of New York. While I'm not aware of any enforcement actions regarding this law it might prove an interesting problem to those of us that bought our fuel in states where only red dyed diesel is available at marinas.
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Re: Gas Station Diesel vs Marine Diesel

You will get the freshest diesel at busy truck stops or busy fuel docks.
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Interestingly several states now make it illegal to put red dyed diesel in recreational boats. New York is one of these. Of course I did not buy fuel there on my trip down the east coast this fall. The way the law reads it is illegal to have red dyed diesel in a recreational boat, not just illegal to pump it in the state of New York. While I'm not aware of any enforcement actions regarding this law it might prove an interesting problem to those of us that bought our fuel in states where only red dyed diesel is available at marinas.
I believe it's visa versa. Road diesel is yellow/clear. Road fuel is taxed and marine/farm fuel is not. So then if a trucker is caught with red die in their tank they get busted.

>>> WA State Licensing: Dyed diesel
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Instead, based on the new definitions, the taxation of diesel motor fuel depends on whether it is classified as highway diesel motor fuel or non-highway diesel motor fuel.
• Highway diesel motor fuel is any diesel motor fuel that is not non-highway diesel motor fuel.
• Non-highway diesel motor fuel is any diesel motor fuel designated for use other than on a public highway (except for the use of the public highway by farmers to reach adjacent farmlands), and is dyed diesel motor fuel.
Highway diesel motor fuel is subject to diesel motor fuel excise tax, petroleum business tax, and prepaid sales tax when it is first sold in New York State.
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I plan on going to the gas station to cause its waaaaay cheaper then the fuel dock. I could be wroung but I think the fuel docks have a higher tax on the diesel fuel they sell
What the fuel docks do is charge the highest price they can get away with. Usually they have one or no competitors which is a big help for them.
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Oh for sure. That's why I regularly arrive at the marina with a full jerrycan.
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Diesel, even if it doesn't have "Bio" stuff in it, will still grow algae. Hard to believe, but I've seen it happen.

I wouldn't be to picky about where the fuel came from as long as it is fresh. It doesn't matter if it is red or yellow. I've even used Jet A in a diesel generator.

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(Oversimplification warning for nitpickers) Diesel comes from rotted vegetation and animal. We should not be surprised that something has found a way to grow in it.
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Re: Gas Station Diesel vs Marine Diesel

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I plan on going to the gas station to cause its waaaaay cheaper then the fuel dock. I could be wroung but I think the fuel docks have a higher tax on the diesel fuel they sell
What the fuel docks do is charge the highest price they can get away with. Usually they have one or no competitors which is a big help for them. "


Maybe it's just Florida, but I doubt it -- but where I am, it is ILLEGAL to buy diesel at a gas station and put it in a boat. That's why they're two different colors. That's how you can be busted.
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Maybe it's just Florida, but I doubt it -- but where I am, it is ILLEGAL to buy diesel at a gas station and put it in a boat. That's why they're two different colors. That's how you can be busted.
Yup, boaters in FL pay a fuel tax. Only commercial fishing is exempt, as I understand. But I believe they must file for a refund, not use undyed fuel.
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Re: Gas Station Diesel vs Marine Diesel

all diesel here is clear. no dye. road or boat dock--i go to fuel dock with jerry jugs and fill my boat for a few pennies less than going to dock--isnt that much difference here. government regulations are not always bad.....keeps pricing lower than usa.
but, to answer the question, yet again, there is no difference in the road and boat fuel except the color. and the tax.

even in fla we used road fuel-- who is gonna come out to an anchored boat to test color of fuel.....rodlmao. usa isnt quite that bad , yet....
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Huh there is weird information going about. Taxed fuel. The dyed fuel is usually the low tax fuel. Normally where I go road fuel has no dye and is taxed as such. Off road fuel is dyed and avoids the tax. I run road taxed fuel as it is usually less expensive then marina fuel. Makes no sense that you would be fined for using a no dyed fuel.
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