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14-01-2019, 10:03
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Difference between oil filters
I can use Luber finer LFP2292 for my Perkins 4.108.
But can I use also Fram PH82 ?
They have the same connection thread and diameter. LFP is longer. I can not see other difference.
And whats the difference between the filters in general?
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14-01-2019, 10:17
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Re: Difference between oil filters
Where to begin? Quality varies greatly between brands. Luberfiner filters are known as high quality and used through out industry. Fram is pretty far down on the list for reputation, Cheaply made of lesser quality parts. Internal end plate made of cardboard.
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14-01-2019, 11:15
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Re: Difference between oil filters
I made the rebuild of the engine.
and I want to change my oil again very soon. I did not get also the best oil now. I bought the only SAE 40 what they had in town where I am now in Panama.
So I can use Fram for temporary. Correct?
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14-01-2019, 11:30
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Re: Difference between oil filters
Not a problem. Fram may not be the best construction but I haven’t heard of any engine failures. They produce 100 million filters annually
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14-01-2019, 11:47
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Re: Difference between oil filters
I use all kinds of different oil filters as long as thread & sealing face is the same. Doesn't seem to be an issue so would say yes use it as you would the pura finer.
I'm sure you could use 15w-40 oil too with no problem as it's used in millions of different diesel engines as long as it was an API C* rated oil
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14-01-2019, 11:53
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Re: Difference between oil filters
I would not use the Fram filter, except for "get me home" in an emergency.
The reason is that PH8A (see the picture) is a hydraulic filter without a BPV (Bypass Valve) not suitable for engine lubrication.
Without a BPV the engine gets no oil if the filter clogs up.
You can't see a BPV, nor it's setting, from the outside. The only way is to check the documentation.
Thomas
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14-01-2019, 12:01
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Re: Difference between oil filters
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Originally Posted by cagney
I would not use the Fram filter, except for "get me home" in an emergency.
The reason is that PH8A (see the picture) is a hydraulic filter without a BPV (Bypass Valve) not suitable for engine lubrication.
Without a BPV the engine gets no oil if the filter clogs up.
You can't see a BPV, nor it's setting, from the outside. The only way is to check the documentation.
Thomas
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Good point you make & I agree. Not a good idea to use a filter meant for hydraulics, with no bypass v/v, for engine oil.
My apologies to O.P. I ASSUMED the Fram was an engine oil filter ( never assume)
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14-01-2019, 12:07
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Re: Difference between oil filters
I have used fram PH8A filters on older ford trucks with a V-8. It is a ICE oil filter.
List of vehicles/engines the PH8A is used on from fram.
http://www.fram.com/parts-search/PH8A
and the specs say it has a By-Pass Valve Setting of 12, so it seems it does have a bypass.
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14-01-2019, 12:11
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Re: Difference between oil filters
Ah no,
http://www.fram.com/parts-search/PH8A
I take my apology back as, again, NEVER ASSUME. I assumed cagney was right but then I checked.
Use the PH8A fram as you would the pura-finer as it does have a bypass valve set at 12psi
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14-01-2019, 12:39
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Re: Difference between oil filters
I’m away from my boat right now, but I think that is the exact Fram I’ve been using for years on my 4108. And I also use Rotella 15-40. Seems fine so far.
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14-01-2019, 12:49
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Difference between oil filters
I agree with Wix or NAPA gold.
Just google Fram quality etc. you will get several hits of where people cut them open and show you how much less filter media there is, how the end of the filter is cardboard and many other things, they are essentially junk, they do meet min specs, but just the minimum.
There are a great many excellent filters to choose from, Fleetguard, and in my opinion both Mobil1 and K&N are the best.
No a Fram won’t kill your engine, in truth even if you had just an open can with nothing in it, it won’t kill your engine, but it won’t protect as well as a quality filter will either.
There are many, many engines with no filter, just a screen, but a full flow quality filter is better.
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14-01-2019, 12:51
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Re: Difference between oil filters
Quote:
Originally Posted by SailRedemption
Go with Wix or Napa Gold (wix made).
Part Details
Amazon has good prices sometimes.
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Agreed.
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14-01-2019, 13:08
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Re: Difference between oil filters
Quote:
Originally Posted by a64pilot
I agree with Wix or NAPA gold.
Just google Fram quality etc. you will get several hits of where people cut them open and show you how much less filter media there is, how the end of the filter is cardboard and many other things, they are essentially junk, they do meet min specs, but just the minimum.
There are a great many excellent filters to choose from, Fleetguard, and in my opinion both Mobil1 and K&N are the best.
No a Fram won’t kill your engine, in truth even if you had just an open can with nothing in it, it won’t kill your engine, but it won’t protect as well as a quality filter will either.
There are many, many engines with no filter, just a screen, but a full flow quality filter is better.
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Thanks. Good to know.
Most of us change our filters far more often than they would be on a motor vehicle — how does this affect the equation A64?
I change my oil filter pretty much with every oil change. This, for me, usually means at the end of a season. I rarely have more than 30 hours on the engine at that point.
Anyway, my question is that since the hours run on these filters is way lower than most automobiles, does filter quality really matter that much?
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14-01-2019, 13:21
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Re: Difference between oil filters
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike OReilly
Thanks. Good to know.
Most of us change our filters far more often than they would be on a motor vehicle — how does this affect the equation A64?
I change my oil filter pretty much with every oil change. This, for me, usually means at the end of a season. I rarely have more than 30 hours on the engine at that point.
Anyway, my question is that since the hours run on these filters is way lower than most automobiles, does filter quality really matter that much?
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All I can say is you almost certainly are throwing away a filter with a lot of life left in it if you dispose of them at 30hrs. I'd gladly use them for say another 100hrs
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