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Old 14-04-2013, 10:38   #91
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Maybe it was just his luck, or maybe just a bad engine, all I know is that he is borrowing my tractor and I am not borrowing his. I am not saying that all Chinese products are bad
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There's a common mis conception about ISO 9000. I took a manufacturing plant through that certification. It doesn't mandate any particular quality. Its just means you have to document and record what " quality" you decide. You can have an ISO 9000 certified manufacturing producing absolute crap, once you decide that's what you have decided to produce.

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Been wondering how long before someone pointed this out. ISO doesn't guarantee quality, it documents procedure, consistency, etc. You can be ISO9000 certified and make total junk, but you make the same grade of junk every time and can prove it by the paperwork.

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Been wondering how long before someone pointed this out. ISO doesn't guarantee quality, it documents procedure, consistency, etc. You can be ISO9000 certified and make total junk, but you make the same grade of junk every time and can prove it by the paperwork.

Yes, what you mean to say is that it is about quality control.
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An old surveyor from Det Norske Veritas told me this anecdote. Once upon a time he was called upon to perform a survey of cargo delivery process used by some junk ship company operating in Papua New Guniea, for the purposes of ISO 9001 certification. 9001 is a service company sibling of 9000 (which is for manufacturing). According to the surveyor, his client needed ISO certification to do government work.

The process he observed went as follows:

1. The junk arrives at an island, in front of two and a half huts on the beach, drops anchor and honks.

2. Consignee (receiver of cargo) arrives by swimming from shore.

3. Consignee produces the bill of lading by pulling a sealed plastic bag out of his swimming trunks.

4. The necessary paperwork is done, and the cargo is delivered by throwing a crate overboard.

5. Consignee departs from the vessel the same way he arrived, pulling the cargo in his wake.

6. The junk lifts anchor and sails into the sunset.

7. Since the surveyor can observe traceability, accountability and all the other prerequisite ilities, he finds the whole affair to be entirely ISO 9001-compliant.
I like this story,I have seen similar...
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Been wondering how long before someone pointed this out. ISO doesn't guarantee quality, it documents procedure, consistency, etc. You can be ISO9000 certified and make total junk, but you make the same grade of junk every time and can prove it by the paperwork.

This is so true..... but ISO services are money making corporations right? Maybe they should offload to China!

Was there ever any answers about Chinese Diesels in this thread???? Was the old Pisces diesel chinese?
There are probably quite a few watching this thread that have Chinese boats! Thats probably a good example, I doubt there has ever been a US made boat with the interior work to compare with Ta Shing.... it's all about what you ask for...
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The Rocna anchors had a lower strength steel because Rocna told them to use that steel instead of the originally specified stronger steel. How people can insist on repeating that false info is beyond comprehension.
Can you back this fact up?
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Can you back this fact up?
Doesnt need to ... you just said it was a fact!
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For every bit of Chinese made tat sold into the US market there is usually an American Vendor involved.

"Americans sell cr#p" perhaps doesn't sound so easy - even if it is part of the problem, the other part being "Americans buy cr#p"....the Chinese (or anyone else) making the cr#p simply responding to market forces.....and likely also taking advantage of numpty western businesses who arrive with a cheque and a head full of wishful thinking - IMO would be kinda rude not to take advantage by delivering what they request, even if including lots of what they did not because it makes Mr Chinaman more money. Pay peanuts and get monkeys is not a problem unless the monkeys are smarter than you........

The market always gets what it demands (aka what it pays for). just that it's not always what it really wants, nor is a good thing.

In regard to Chinese boat engines, wayyy too early for me to buy one - but give it a decade or 2 and I am sure I will be happy to. and that not because I think the Chinese can't make good stuff (they can), just that not yet a demand for them to do so locally - as likely with cheap labour fixing stuff still the cheapest route than building in reliability (Chinese same as Americans - will buy on price!, albeit likely with the Chinese more about neccessity as it's either a Chinese engine that needs constant fixing or a buffalo!).
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"...just that not yet a demand for them to do so locally ...." The Chinese middle class is getting huge, they are buying stuff like it's going out of style... Just saw it on TV the other night.
You'd be very surprised at the state of affairs in China, cities are very modern, modern high rise apartments, They are buying cars and stuff like crazy. Always hard to try a new "unknown to you" product for sure. But I would imagine they think the same as we do, and want a reliable diesel engine in their delivery trucks.... Is this the engine? hard to say. Was the Iveco delivery truck sold in the US chinese powered? I'm not sure but those things just on forever.... great engines...
My gues is the next world crisis will be food. With their economy growing so fast and the Chinese having a lot of spending money, whose going to supply all the beef, grain, veggies etc?
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... it's either a Chinese engine that needs constant fixing or a buffalo!).
Think I read somewheres that the Chinese only fix the female buffaloes.
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"...just that not yet a demand for them to do so locally ...." The Chinese middle class is getting huge, they are buying stuff like it's going out of style... Just saw it on TV the other night.
You'd be very surprised at the state of affairs in China, cities are very modern, modern high rise apartments, They are buying cars and stuff like crazy. Always hard to try a new "unknown to you" product for sure. But I would imagine they think the same as we do, and want a reliable diesel engine in their delivery trucks.... Is this the engine? hard to say. Was the Iveco delivery truck sold in the US chinese powered? I'm not sure but those things just on forever.... great engines...
I belive Iveco used Mitsubishi engines,maybe others..Lots of those Chinese citys are sitting empty,as well as highways , airports,train tracks etc ...
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Yep, they have so much money they built entire cities "on the come". Then the recession hit (them too) and they are sitting empty.
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Wikipedia, my bible of info, indicates Iveco just began exporting Chinese built big trucks last Dec. Apparently they used Fiat engines in times past. Saw a suggestion that Ford is now involved.
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Wikipedia, my bible of info, indicates Iveco just began exporting Chinese built big trucks last Dec. Apparently they used Fiat engines in times past. Saw a suggestion that Ford is now involved.
so maybe the Iveco was a Fiat engine bought through Chrysler, owned by Mercedes, through a division of Ford exporting and probably made in Thailand....
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