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Old 21-10-2013, 21:26   #1
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Binnacle Access

I just joined the forum in the Meet and Greet, so this is actually my second post. I need to replace the throttle cable from the binnacle to my Yanmar 1GM. I removed the compass and housing off the binnacle and was hoping I would be able to access the throttle cable. But if you look at the pic, you can see there is another panel cover. There are not any bolts accessible from what I can see, only small slots in this panel, but not sure what they are for. I've tried twisting, poking, cursing, but no joy. So, any idea how to get this panel off to access the throttle cable?
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Old 22-10-2013, 11:51   #2
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Re: Binnacle Access

I now have a name for the piece I am trying to remove, it is called the Pedestal Adapter Plate and shown as part #36 in the following site.
Aquameter Gemini Binnacle and Flush Mount Compass Parts
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Old 23-10-2013, 17:17   #3
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Hmmm, this is getting discouraging as this thread has 90 views and still no suggestions.
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Old 23-10-2013, 17:55   #4
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Who made the pedestal?
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Old 23-10-2013, 18:07   #5
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The pedestal does not have a name on it, however I did download Pedestal Mounted Engine Control instructions from Edson as it looks very similar to mine.
Step 3 in this instruction reads "Remove compass from pedestal top. See compass manufacturer's instructions for compass removal."
The compass is a Gemini and the company are no longer in business, but I did find a schematic of the compass which I included in the previous post.
Nothing in all of this documentation provides any idea on how to get his plate off. No doubt it is a simple step, I just don't get it.
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Old 23-10-2013, 18:31   #6
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Re: Binnacle Access

From what I can tell from the photos it looks a whole lot like the Edson on my boat that I just overhauled except for that plate.

Are those the heads of bolts sticking up through the plate? If yes, then I assume you removed nuts or something off the exposed ends. The plate might just lift off. Could be corrosion or salt deposits holding it in. Maybe a little PB Blasters, mild (very mild) heat.

If it is an Edson they have pretty good tech support. If you get no answers on the forum try and give them a call.
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Re: Binnacle Access

From the second picture I see four threaded "bolts" pointing up??

If so I think the plate is just corroded to the bolts. Torch those four spots and tap upward?

Use the "contact us" form on the Viking site and ask them?

I can't see anything else in the pics that lights a bulb. Sorry for the dim one that did light up.


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On the other hand it may be crimped on and you have to remove the "bowl" part under the compass mount. Is there anything around that lip?

It is possible the pedestal is assembled top-down and you need to remove it from the deck and work from the bottom. (ick)

Have you any exploded views of pedestals?

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/c...vice/index.php
Maybe.......

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/s...arts/index.php

From the look on one diagram there seems to be four holes that bolts would rise from to hold down all the compass stuff. How to hold the bolts while putting on the compass etc I would have to beer up and stare at for a while.

http://www.edsonmarine.com/support/ped_repl_parts.php

Lower pic of the two.
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From what I can tell from the photos it looks a whole lot like the Edson on my boat that I just overhauled except for that plate.

Are those the heads of bolts sticking up through the plate? If yes, then I assume you removed nuts or something off the exposed ends. The plate might just lift off. Could be corrosion or salt deposits holding it in. Maybe a little PB Blasters, mild (very mild) heat.

If it is an Edson they have pretty good tech support. If you get no answers on the forum try and give them a call.
Yes, there were nuts on the four bolt ends seen in the pic that held the compass onto the plate, but I don't see how they would be used to hold the plate onto the pedestal. No doubt there is some corrosion adding to the dilemma.
Great idea regarding Edson tech support, I'll give them a try. Thx.
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Well when nothing else works, get a hammer.

If that doesn't work, get a bigger hammer?
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OK, thanks all, I've sent Edson Tech Support an e-mail and waiting to see if they have any suggestions. Otherwise, I'm leaning towards the hammer suggestion.
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I sent the pictures to Hank Keene at Edison and here is his reply.

Chris, Thanks for sending this along, It looks like a CINKEL steerer built in Canada but it would be nice to know what kind of boat it is on. Cinkel did a very good job of copying EDSON and others. I think I see 4 studs sticking up with nuts removed. That compass plate should come loose as it may be bedded to the top of the engine control so a sharp knife or a screw driver may be helpful. This will also need to be done where the engine control wafer joins the pedestal. They are just layers on top of the pedestal. I hope this helps. My Best, Hank

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I was thinking the bolts were attached to the plate, but instead, the plate slides over top of the four bolts. There is definitely some sort of compound and corrosion holding the plate onto the pedestal, so this will needs some persuasion to get it loose. At least now I know what I am dealing with. Thanks everyone for contributing.
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Send us a pic of the shattered pieces after the use of the bigger hammer.


Sometimes I think corrosion is worse than rust.
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Success....

...stay tuned for my new thread on replacing the throttle cable. Hey this is fun being a boat owner!
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Yes, but how??

The little hammer or the big one?
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