Basic Perkins 4.108M questions

alchemy · 01-05-2006, 18:54

Greetings all.

Was wondering if some of the Perkins experts had some time to go over a bit of basic info. I have an 1986 (the year I'm assuming) 4.108M with a Bukh saildrive on my same year Grand Soleil 39. It appears to be neither a "highline" nor a "lowline" model, but rather a "new" model (according to the handbook I found...which, to be honest, could be described as "hardly informational" at best).

I'm looking for info on finding a comprehensive rebuild manual or resources regarding taking good care of this motor. I saw the PDF manual location post. Any additional info would be appreciated.

There also seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the correct oil filter for this motor. Anyone have the definitive answer?

And while I'm asking basic questions, anyone having any problems installing new zincs? Any explainations and/or tips would be great. Thanks in advance for any and all help.

Take care all.

Steve Kidson · 02-05-2006, 00:15

I have a manual for the 4.108 Perkins, bought it from a second hand book shop - gotta get lucky sometimes

If there was some specific info you wanted, let me know and I will scan and e.mail to you.

Replacement oil filter I have is a Valvoline V-01; same filter will fit Toyota Landcruiser FJ & FZJ petrol; BJ diesel.

From all reports, the Perkins is a great, reliable workhorse that should give many years of service.

Fair winds

Steve

SailWiz · 02-05-2006, 09:25

Alchemy, I have a 4-108 in my Person 365. I use a Fram PH8A as a replacement oil filter. I lucked out and have the original manual. As far as basic info, and I see you are in South Florida, here in St. Petersburg, a company called Mastry Diesel puts on seminars for about $150.00. The class I went to last month was taught by Chuck Husick of Boat US. He is a very knowledgeable guy and has worked in the marine and aviation indusrty for years. Although Mastry is a Yanmar dealer, Husick covers all engines and has even owned a few Perkins. Hope it helps. Sailwiz

ssullivan · 02-05-2006, 16:41

The PDF manual referred to on this site was excellent. I read it cover to cover and feel mostly prepared for any "in boat" repairs. I recently rebuilt my starter with no manual, then saw some great info in the PDF manual regarding the rebuild.

I also have the "new" model. It's a 1987.

Other folks should step in here who are diesel mechanics, but there are several types of filters that fit and/or are the same size in radius and length/height.

I used a NAPA Gold filter with a 5 digit serial number, which the NAPA in my current area couldn't locate. So... they opened up the "big book of engines" and looked up the 4.108. The filter I am using right this moment is the Napa Gold 1806. There are many that will fit.

SailWiz · 02-05-2006, 17:17

Sean, Do you have the link to the PDF manual? My computer crashed awhile ago and I lost it. Thanks, Wiz

alchemy · 02-05-2006, 17:40

Here's the link:

http://www.capedory.org/manuals/Perk...shopManual.pdf

SailWiz · 02-05-2006, 18:16

Alchemy, Awesome. Thanks

**Pblais** · 02-05-2006, 18:36

If you ever are in need of parts or other info:

http://www.tadiesels.com/index.htm

Probably the best source for Perkins info on the east coast. They scour the English countryside looking for Perkins engines / parts.

Brent Swain · 03-05-2006, 12:38

Detriot Diesel Allison were selling 30 HP 3 cylindre engines with hurth transmisions rated at 15 HP . The trannys were crapping out in 60 hours , and Detriot Diesel Allison flatly refused to warantee them, saying that they were rated for 30 HP pleasure boat use, and no pleasure boat will ever go more than 12 hours in a stretch.Seveal friends who bought these packages from Detroit Diesel Allison were S.O.L and had to buy new trannys out of their own pocket.
Detriot Diesel Allison was the company that provided Diesels for BC Ferry's fast cats , which were a total disaster.
Twin disk makes tranny's which are the same dimensions as the Hurth, but much better trannys ,and cheaper as well.

**Pblais** · 03-05-2006, 12:45

Louis,

I think you connected to the wrong thread.

Brent Swain · 04-05-2006, 13:53

The engines they were selling were 30 HP 3 cylindre Perkins.
Brent

**Pblais** · 04-05-2006, 15:29

None of this is related to the topic. I mean if it is a subject you want to discuss start a new topic. It's OK to start a new toipic if you want to. But this has nothing to do with this topic.

FWIW, I know the relationship with DTA and Perkins. Hurth makes more marine transmissions than about anyone else. DTA made engines for Perkins way back too - I own one.

micoverde · 07-05-2006, 13:40

I have an old 4-108M myself in our westsail 32. Thus far I've been using stock "Perkins" oil and fuel filters and they seem to be doing the trick. Just curious why you wouldn't want to use these?

01-05-2006, 18:54	#1
alchemy Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida for the time being Boat: 1986 Grand Soleil 39 Posts: 2	Basic Perkins 4.108M questions Greetings all. Was wondering if some of the Perkins experts had some time to go over a bit of basic info. I have an 1986 (the year I'm assuming) 4.108M with a Bukh saildrive on my same year Grand Soleil 39. It appears to be neither a "highline" nor a "lowline" model, but rather a "new" model (according to the handbook I found...which, to be honest, could be described as "hardly informational" at best). I'm looking for info on finding a comprehensive rebuild manual or resources regarding taking good care of this motor. I saw the PDF manual location post. Any additional info would be appreciated. There also seems to be a bit of confusion regarding the correct oil filter for this motor. Anyone have the definitive answer? And while I'm asking basic questions, anyone having any problems installing new zincs? Any explainations and/or tips would be great. Thanks in advance for any and all help. Take care all.

02-05-2006, 00:15	#2
Steve Kidson Registered User Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Sydney, Australia Boat: Hartley 32 RORC; Vixen Posts: 192 Images: 10	Perkins 4.108 I have a manual for the 4.108 Perkins, bought it from a second hand book shop - gotta get lucky sometimes If there was some specific info you wanted, let me know and I will scan and e.mail to you. Replacement oil filter I have is a Valvoline V-01; same filter will fit Toyota Landcruiser FJ & FZJ petrol; BJ diesel. From all reports, the Perkins is a great, reliable workhorse that should give many years of service. Fair winds Steve

02-05-2006, 18:36	#8
Pblais Moderator Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hayes, VA Boat: Gozzard 36 - Bright Eyes Posts: 6,938 Images: 12	If you ever are in need of parts or other info: http://www.tadiesels.com/index.htm Probably the best source for Perkins info on the east coast. They scour the English countryside looking for Perkins engines / parts. __________________ Paul Blais s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36 37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W

03-05-2006, 12:38	#9
Brent Swain Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 784	perkins Detriot Diesel Allison were selling 30 HP 3 cylindre engines with hurth transmisions rated at 15 HP . The trannys were crapping out in 60 hours , and Detriot Diesel Allison flatly refused to warantee them, saying that they were rated for 30 HP pleasure boat use, and no pleasure boat will ever go more than 12 hours in a stretch.Seveal friends who bought these packages from Detroit Diesel Allison were S.O.L and had to buy new trannys out of their own pocket. Detriot Diesel Allison was the company that provided Diesels for BC Ferry's fast cats , which were a total disaster. Twin disk makes tranny's which are the same dimensions as the Hurth, but much better trannys ,and cheaper as well. __________________ Brent Swain

03-05-2006, 12:45	#10
Pblais Moderator Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hayes, VA Boat: Gozzard 36 - Bright Eyes Posts: 6,938 Images: 12	Louis, I think you connected to the wrong thread. __________________ Paul Blais s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36 37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W

02-05-2006, 09:25	#3
SailWiz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tierra Verde, FL Boat: Pearson 365- Trident Posts: 78 Images: 2	Alchemy, I have a 4-108 in my Person 365. I use a Fram PH8A as a replacement oil filter. I lucked out and have the original manual. As far as basic info, and I see you are in South Florida, here in St. Petersburg, a company called Mastry Diesel puts on seminars for about $150.00. The class I went to last month was taught by Chuck Husick of Boat US. He is a very knowledgeable guy and has worked in the marine and aviation indusrty for years. Although Mastry is a Yanmar dealer, Husick covers all engines and has even owned a few Perkins. Hope it helps. Sailwiz

02-05-2006, 16:41	#4
ssullivan cruiser Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 4,530	The PDF manual referred to on this site was excellent. I read it cover to cover and feel mostly prepared for any "in boat" repairs. I recently rebuilt my starter with no manual, then saw some great info in the PDF manual regarding the rebuild. I also have the "new" model. It's a 1987. Other folks should step in here who are diesel mechanics, but there are several types of filters that fit and/or are the same size in radius and length/height. I used a NAPA Gold filter with a 5 digit serial number, which the NAPA in my current area couldn't locate. So... they opened up the "big book of engines" and looked up the 4.108. The filter I am using right this moment is the Napa Gold 1806. There are many that will fit.

02-05-2006, 17:17	#5
SailWiz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tierra Verde, FL Boat: Pearson 365- Trident Posts: 78 Images: 2	Sean, Do you have the link to the PDF manual? My computer crashed awhile ago and I lost it. Thanks, Wiz

02-05-2006, 17:40	#6
alchemy Registered User Join Date: May 2006 Location: South Florida for the time being Boat: 1986 Grand Soleil 39 Posts: 2	Here's the link: http://www.capedory.org/manuals/Perk...shopManual.pdf

02-05-2006, 18:16	#7
SailWiz Registered User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Tierra Verde, FL Boat: Pearson 365- Trident Posts: 78 Images: 2	Alchemy, Awesome. Thanks

04-05-2006, 13:53	#11
Brent Swain Registered User Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 784	Perkins Diesel The engines they were selling were 30 HP 3 cylindre Perkins. Brent __________________ Brent Swain

04-05-2006, 15:29	#12
Pblais Moderator Moderator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Hayes, VA Boat: Gozzard 36 - Bright Eyes Posts: 6,938 Images: 12	None of this is related to the topic. I mean if it is a subject you want to discuss start a new topic. It's OK to start a new toipic if you want to. But this has nothing to do with this topic. FWIW, I know the relationship with DTA and Perkins. Hurth makes more marine transmissions than about anyone else. DTA made engines for Perkins way back too - I own one. __________________ Paul Blais s/v Bright Eyes Gozzard 36 37 15.7 N 76 28.9 W

07-05-2006, 13:40	#13
micoverde Registered User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Singapore Boat: Westsail 32 Posts: 79 Images: 3	I have an old 4-108M myself in our westsail 32. Thus far I've been using stock "Perkins" oil and fuel filters and they seem to be doing the trick. Just curious why you wouldn't want to use these?

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