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Old 27-11-2013, 14:46   #16
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Old 27-11-2013, 14:46   #17
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Re: Are Volvos Actually Made by Volvo

I don't know about the current engines -- and perhaps it depends on how they define "manufactured" -- but older Volvo Pentas often used blocks from other manufacturer's non-marine engines.

I used to have a Volvo Penta MD21B in my old 45' cutter, and it was a "marinized" Peugot 504 diesel car engine.
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Heard a lot of trash talking about the 2000 series.... and maybe they are not a perkins (?) but many users have had very little issue with those engines. I've heard a lot more problems with Yanmars than any engine really, of course there are alot out there......
I believe the bigger diesels 120hp and up are still genuine Volvo... ?
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Old 27-11-2013, 15:09   #19
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Re: Are Volvos Actually Made by Volvo

Volvo-Penta engine overlook
Volvo-Penta 2000: Worst ship diesel engine ?

for those who wonder why I don't like the 2000 series Volvo.

Apparently it was the last one that they actually designed.
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Actually Volvo use in small 3 cilinders models the infamous line of perkins 100 series aka Perama, a volvo d1 30 is actually a perama m35, the diference come from heat exchanger, and all the surrounding stuff, the block is Perkins and the injection pump to, the oil pan is diferent but probably under volvo request, a D2 55 is very similar to a perama block to, in this case 4 cilinders...and even the exhaust manifold heat exchanger convo is made by a subcontr company , the only thing coming from volvo is the green topcoat and the bill for parts ,,,, ouchhhhh....
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Re: Are Volvos Actually Made by Volvo

From my own personal experience:
Yanmar 3GM30, engine replaced prior to 500 hours under warranty.
Yanmar 3GM30, Broken Piston Cyl #3 , slightly over 2000 hours.
I guess you could say that's a pretty high failure rate.
I think SailorChic's 3GM30 had pretty low hours when it needed a piston too.
Any others with 3GM30 premature failres?
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Actually Volvo use in small 3 cilinders models the infamous line of perkins 100 series aka Perama, a volvo d1 30 is actually a perama m35, the diference come from heat exchanger, and all the surrounding stuff, the block is Perkins and the injection pump to, the oil pan is diferent but probably under volvo request, a D2 55 is very similar to a perama block to, in this case 4 cilinders...and even the exhaust manifold heat exchanger convo is made by a subcontr company , the only thing coming from volvo is the green topcoat and the bill for parts ,,,, ouchhhhh....

These small Volvo engines start life as a Shibaura made in Japan. Shibaura contracts with Perkins which is a subsidiary of Caterpillar. Perkins sells the engine to Volvo who then sells it to a distributor who then sells it to you.....

And folks wonder why Vovo parts are pricey.. It's a long way from Shibaura to your boat with multiple hands all grabbing money along the way...
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The Volvo Penta D1-30 is a marinized Perkins 403D-11 industrial diesel engine.
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Don't think Volvo has made their engines since the demise of the MD series a couple of decades ago. They've sourced engines from Perkins and Peugeot among others. They used to get their gas engines from GM. They marinize the engines and add their name like most of the other marine engine suppliers except Yanmar.

Don't think Perkins make Perkins engines any longer. Believe they are Japanese industrial engines possibly sourced from Mitsubishi. Believe the 4-108 and the other 4-*** and 6-*** were the last of them made by Perkins in England. That's what Guy was refering to in his post.
Yanmar use several makers of blocks , such as Nissan etc

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And folks wonder why Vovo parts are pricey.. It's a long way from Shibaura to your boat with multiple hands all grabbing money along the way...
You can get Perkin brand parts for all these Volvos for less money.

I have posted a couple of times direct price lists for Volvo vs. Yanmar common parts. No overall difference in prices between them. For examples, Yanmar filters are definitely cheaper, but Volvo's injector pumps and alternators are cheaper.

The internet meme regarding how expensive Volvo parts are compared to Yanmar remains unexamined and alive, however.

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The internet meme regarding how expensive Volvo parts are compared to Yanmar remains unexamined and alive, however.

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Yep, its entered into popular mythology...

I'm quite sure that by sourcing their blocks from Shibaura Volvo are taking advantage of the economies of scale. Not a whole lot different to many ( a majority?) of the world's small outboard motor manufacturers sourcing their blocks from Tohatsu and that JRC is the magnetron supplier to so many of the world's radar manufacturers.
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You can get Perkin brand parts for all these Volvos for less money.

I have posted a couple of times direct price lists for Volvo vs. Yanmar common parts. No overall difference in prices between them. For examples, Yanmar filters are definitely cheaper, but Volvo's injector pumps and alternators are cheaper.

The internet meme regarding how expensive Volvo parts are compared to Yanmar remains unexamined and alive, however.

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Just be aware that in certain engines certain parts are Volvo specific and not generic Perkins. Perkins have zillions of OEM engine variants.

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The internet meme regarding how expensive Volvo parts are compared to Yanmar remains unexamined and alive, however.

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Perhaps the meme is out there but I never made mention of any other brand of engine.

FWIW I think they are all offensive in their parts pricing with, IMHO, Yanmar leading the way. Yanmar has less middle-men yet has pricing as high or higher than manufacturers once, twice or three times down the distribution chain....

A recent example were the glow plugs on my own engine. Mitsubishi/Westerbeke used Champion as the OEM and used an OEM specific part number with "no cross reference" published. They do this purposely to drive business to the OEM.

With a little fingertip work I found a direct cross reference in less than 5 minutes but not from Champion because they are not allowed to do this per the contract with Mitsubishi/Westerbeke..

Westerbeke = $85.00 each

NGK/ NAPA = $6.41 each...

They are ALL offensive in parts pricing with the possible exception of Beta. Beta is hactually honest about who's base engines they use and will give you the cross reference numbers.

I have sourced many Yanmar parts from John Deer at significantly less money than through the marine channels.

Again, I NEVER compared Volvo parts pricing to any other engine, but you did...
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Just be aware that in certain engines certain parts are Volvo specific and not generic Perkins. Perkins have zillions of OEM engine variants.

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Yes, I was referring to the MD and D series Volvos that are just green Perkins. For those engines, all parts are 100% the same. Other Volvo engines may be different for sure.

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Re: Are Volvos Actually Made by Volvo

Volvo D2 55.

Exhaust manifold heat exchanger core . about 3000 Euros
Exhaust Manifold gasket. 130 Euros
Exhaust elbow. 550 Euros
Elbow gasket 46 Euros.
Volvo tech labour rate is about 50 Euros / hour
for a total in parts: 3700 Euros so far ..

The price for a new D2 55 is about 7500 euros here in St Marteen without trany.

Just figurate....
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