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Old 21-07-2017, 13:37   #1
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Your opinions on this Tri.

Please give me your opinions on this 55' Chris White Juniper II Trimaran that I am considering.

1989 Chris White Juniper 2 Trimaran Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com

The boat was built by a builder/owner, not in a marine yard, and the interior reflects this fact. The current owner is a nice guy and quite knowledgeable about cruising and tris. The boat is not listed by Chris White (anything to read here?) but by a FL brokerage.

The Juniper II is a refinement of the first Juniper I design which was owned and sailed by Chris White before being sold in to Henk de Velde in 2007 who completed with it a mostly solo circumnavigation, his 6th.

I am a Tri devotee, I like CW designs, I like the simplicity of the rig on this boat and I like the seller. What I don't like is the workmanlike rough/unattractive interior and the cost to improve it.

Alternative thoughts. Beautiful Hans Christian 44 cutters are available for less money, in most cases they require little work and are better equipped.

The intent is to keep the boat on a protected anchorage in Crete and cruise the Med, oftentimes shorthanded. What would you do?
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Old 21-07-2017, 15:49   #2
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As you like stayless rigs this could be a real goer. These seem to be very seaworthy tris. Henk De Velde sailed one around the world and liked it a lot. They are true ocean going vessels and this one looks in good nick. Nice boat. Great for a singlehander or couple.

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Old 21-07-2017, 16:11   #3
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Attractive simplicity inside, conventional interiors with the gingerbread don't belong in a tri,
I'm lost on your comparison though. A Hans Christian and this boat answer very different cruising needs. The speed differences alone will mean different cruising destinations and ranges. I think you need to look carefully at how you plan to use a boat. If the agenda includes lots of marina destinations, a stocked wine cellar and full library with nautical atmosphere the HC44 is the winner as it will cost less to dock and fit into crowded places easier. At anchor the Juniper will be a lot more comfortable as it won't roll.
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I really like the interior, prefer function over frill.
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Old 21-07-2017, 17:15   #5
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I wish the interior of my boat looked so good.
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Old 21-07-2017, 17:21   #6
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Thanks guys, great feedback.

Yes Cavalierthis Tri and the HC are totally different boats but their price brings them close. Run and hide in comfort or tough it out under staysail alone, that is the question.
I'm gratified catsketcher that you remember my preference for stayless rigs and this one has also a unique furling system where the lazy jacks raise the furled sail and secure it on a vertical position against the mast, quick and neat and no issues with the battens. He has furled without problems at 40°, amazing! It has one big electric winch to raise the mains and do the anchor duty as well, no other muscle is required.

It ain't pretty inside though and I'm withholding opinion until I step aboard. First I must speak with CW and get information on the builder. Did CW inspect the boat during the construction, why isn't he listing it himself etc.

Yes, Henk de Velde, quite the sailor, 6 or 7 times around! Respect.
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No tri with good performance is going to be a furniture boat. The interior looks freakin' great to me.
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CW's original Juniper is on the market.
http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/1981...20/Puerto-Rico
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No tri with good performance is going to be a furniture boat. The interior looks freakin' great to me.
Good point and I must withhold opinion until I see it. The newer CW Atlantics have white gelcoated interiors which I very much prefer to the looks of the "naked" West system plywood on this boat.
Anyway, paint is always an option.
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It's a strip-planked boat. Seeing the wood is good. If you get any water intrusion in the wood, you can see it.
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Thanks, I knew that and it is quite a bit less $$ but I think that this v. II is worth the money.

Interestingly when I last spoke with CW a couple of weeks ago to discuss an unstayed new tri design he never mentioned either one of these two tris.
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Good point and I must withhold opinion until I see it. The newer CW Atlantics have white gelcoated interiors which I very much prefer to the looks of the "naked" West system plywood on this boat.
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? That's not plywood. It's strip planked (cedar?) and the way it's suppose to look.
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It's a strip-planked boat. Seeing the wood is good. If you get any water intrusion in the wood, you can see it.
Right you are off course ..... there goes the paint.
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It almost certainly isn't strip plank. This design was made for Constant Camber. A system where two or three layers of diagonal planking was made in a production run. Nice system but it can't do complex shapes. Strip plank in multis needs a fair bit of glass over the timber. This bare timber has no or very light glass sheathing.

Great boat though - I would jump at one if I wanted an ocean crossing thoroughbred.
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? That's not plywood. It's strip planked (cedar?) and the way it's suppose to look.
Hmmm, and here I thought that Gougeon is strip planked and West is ply. Oh well, I'm really good with balsacore and klegecell though ....
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