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Old 15-04-2015, 06:36   #16
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There are more than a few people on here with boats of that category.

It is unfortunately quite easy to spend 1.5M on a boat.
Not very many. It is kind of proven that this is the home of the old lower cost boats (a 20 year old boat puts you in the younger 15% of boats)
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Old 15-04-2015, 09:21   #17
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

Mehmet İ know you're on the market for some time
My last boat was a lagoon 500 cruised with tiny girlfriend for 5 years,no problem.
Building a 60ft cat in Antalya now that we can handle,İf interested you can see one photo in Dubois website

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Old 15-04-2015, 09:40   #18
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

Since you are looking at the Catana and know the price I will assume that you are aware of the annual maintenance costs which should run $100-150,000 annually. If you are not planning on paying 1 or 2 professional crew I suggest you forget it. You would never be able to keep it clean yet alone maintain it. I have run big boats professionally for many years and have seen many starry eyed owners bite off more than they can handle, both physically and financially.
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Old 15-04-2015, 09:40   #19
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

Any way you stack it, the 67 foot cat bought for cash is going to represent something north of $85,000 per year just sitting still and over $200,000 per year with just three months of active sailing...not including fees to crew either. The suggestion that you spend less and use the rest to offset operating costs is the most sensible I've read. To answer your question, the same basic maintenance above and below is necessary, it just costs 50% more than say a 45 footer.
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Old 15-04-2015, 09:49   #20
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

One million and a half is a lot for a used six year old boat, even if for a 65fter.

For that kind of money I would have one of these new:



I know, its debatable but you have asked if I would go for it
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Let's put it this way.. I recently got asked if I knew anywhere where a 17metre cat could be lifted outside the Med as the costs in the Eastern Med were horrendous.. I suggested Portimao on the Algarve.. the owner was very happy with the quote of 850euro a month on the hard as it was under half the cost anywhere in the Med..
If you can afford those kind of expenses.. go for it
It will cost me around 2 months of the above to keep my boat in the marina at Fig da Foz for a year
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Old 15-04-2015, 10:19   #22
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

The cost estimates for maintenance and upkeep on this forum for larger boats are so out of line with reality. Our boat had an original cost of over 1.4 million, so according to the experts on this forum, my annual cost should be around $140,000 USD.


Well, I must be doing something right because.... we cruise 5 months of the year in the Med (Sardinia and Corsica this year) and pay less than $16,000 for everything, fuel, haul out and storage in a first class yard, Pantaneus insurance, food, upgrades etc. This year we even added a Bamar furing system for the spinnaker and a second spectra watermaker, which are both included in the $16,000.


I really don't know where you guys come up with your silly numbers.
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It will cost me around 2 months of the above to keep my boat in the marina at Fig da Foz for a year
So you are in Figueira da Foz. I had my boat there for several years. If you did not find it already go to the restaurant Cašarola II (there is also a Cašarola I) in front of the side of the Casino, seat at the counter and ask what they have for " para petiscar". If you don't know the place I think you are going to owe me one.

Ask also where is the "sede do Sporting". Off course you have to say that you are a fan (Sporting is a club). You can eat there too. Lot's of Sporting fans are fishermen and they have the place well stocked. You will not believe what you can eat for the price.

If you know both places, well, you are not a tourist anymore
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

Be sure to invite other members over for a drink or sail, or both. The boat looks fantastic. Many of the comments are from those whose wallet can not maintain, let alone buy a boat that size or cost. For me, it is a size wherein I would like a crew to do the maintenance. In that price range, you have many choices. New, 60' faster, more modern materials, etc, older larger, great looking. I will still have a mimi boat for the Med, though, but it is all about choices and your wallet seems to allow more choices.
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

Kenomac is apparently referring to a smaller monohul, not a Cat, a different fish by any other name, starting with a slip that is as wide as his boat is long. There is no fair comparison between the two. And hauling for dry storage? Ever try to lift a 67 foot Cat at the average yard? :-)
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You should buy it!
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

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Kenomac is apparently referring to a smaller monohul, not a Cat, a different fish by any other name, starting with a slip that is as wide as his boat is long. There is no fair comparison between the two. And hauling for dry storage? Ever try to lift a 67 foot Cat at the average yard? :-)
The 65ft cat is currently in the Med, Italy to be specific. Many yards there and throughout the Med can handle a boat that size. Like I stated in an earlier post... a 65ft boat in the Med is small potatoes unlike a 65 footer in the USA... they are everywhere in the Med..


Also, many marinas even offer a discount for catamarans which stay over the winter. The marinas price the catamarans the same as monohulls; Cartegena, Spain to name just one. So... it's actually proportionally cheaper to have a catamaran in the Med, than a comparable monohull.


Seems to me that many people on this forum tend to take the marina environment or experience they know in the USA, assume it's the best in the world, and then extrapolate their reality to the rest of the world. Nonsense. Just because something like a yard with a big lift or a marina with multiple 65ft catamarans doesn't exist in some small marina along the US coast doesn't mean that it doesn't exist in the Med or elsewhere.
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???It is unfortunately quite easy to spend 1.5M on a boat.
Dockhead - For you it may be easy. For me, IMPOSSIBLE! I WISH it wasn't, But for me, and I expect the majority of the people on this planet, spending a million isn't in the cards. Much less spending that million in one decade.
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Re: Would you go for this 65 footer?

It depends. Is the hassle relocating it to the Caribbean after purchasing it in Italy? If so both carefully do-able. Is the hassle locating a reputable buyers agent and surveyor? - also carefully do-able. Is the hassle the age / price of the boat? If it were a 6 year old $150K boat I would expect it was about $250K new, and everyone could appreciate the tradeoffs. Depending on usage / maintenance you could be approaching new sails, engine rebuilds, bottom job, running rigging, and a host of lesser expenses. Electronics / solar/ European power? Definitely updateable but functional. Is the hassle evaluating the carbon fiber technology employed in 2009 vs. today? Only for a racer / purist- its a Catana. Is the hassle shorthanded sailing - probably not. Is the hassle maintenance and dockage - absolutely by smaller boat standards. Are you trying to take advantage of the strong dollar vs the Euro? I would say that would be the last incentive to consider. Only you can answer if the delay and cost of a $2.5MM boat incentivizes you.
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So you are in Figueira da Foz. I had my boat there for several years. If you did not find it already go to the restaurant Cašarola II (there is also a Cašarola I) in front of the side of the Casino, seat at the counter and ask what they have for " para petiscar". If you don't know the place I think you are going to owe me one.

Ask also where is the "sede do Sporting". Off course you have to say that you are a fan (Sporting is a club). You can eat there too. Lot's of Sporting fans are fishermen and they have the place well stocked. You will not believe what you can eat for the price.

If you know both places, well, you are not a tourist anymore
Which Sporting... Lisboa.. Braga.. or one of the other two..
As for the rest.. seeing as I've been a Portuguese resident for 7 years.. and the Marina managers a drinking buddy I gave a Corribee to.. yes.. I know these places well.
You'd not recognise the marina today.. major changes.. no more hard standing area.. got to go over the other side of the river for that near the fish docks.. and the breakwaters been extended by 1/2 a kilometre..
You should sail down again sometime..
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