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Old 07-03-2015, 13:36   #16
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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

Boatman you know how it goes...."one mans trash another mans treasure"....
I've come across a lot of good treasures....
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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

One thing that needs to be considered is that this boat has European spec wiring meaning that it's 220volt, 50 hertz which be a problem if you intend to use it in North America Spec areas.
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Thanks for all of the info.
Here's a link to the listing

Caribbean Yachts (St Martin, St. Maarten/St. Martin)

He already came off to 290k euro right away without me even asking really....hmmm


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Get them down to 250 and buy it. Or call me. Looks like a hell of a deal if you can. I'm not crazy about it having sail drives but it is what it is.
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One thing that needs to be considered is that this boat has European spec wiring meaning that it's 220volt, 50 hertz which be a problem if you intend to use it in North America Spec areas.
Yea I saw that. Is there a work around?
I plan to use it in the Spanish, US & British virgin islands. I plan to keep it in Fajardo, Puerto Rico
I'm sure that there are many European specs boats sailing around in those areas
I also noted that there's no aircon. Don't think I will be able to add it to the entire boat and run it with the 4.5kw gen that it has. Maybe just add it to the cabins and not the salon??
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Yea I saw that. Is there a work around?
I plan to use it in the Spanish, US & British virgin islands. I plan to keep it in Fajardo, Puerto Rico
I'm sure that there are many European specs boats sailing around in those areas
I also noted that there's no aircon. Don't think I will be able to add it to the entire boat and run it with the 4.5kw gen that it has. Maybe just add it to the cabins and not the salon??
The 50Hz. is a nit.
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Old 07-03-2015, 14:28   #21
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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

Yup, looks untrashed to me too.

I found this spec sheet which says:

Full batten main 66,4 m / 714 sq. ft
Square top main sail (Option for short mast) 69,5 m / 748 sq ft
http://www.ancanet.com/WebFiles/Medi...L421_UK(1).pdf

If I am reading this right then you get a slightly bigger main with a short mast.

DACRON SQUARE TOP MAINSAIL WITH SHORT MAST IN LIEU OF STANDARD
1

http://www.kiriacoulis.it/documenti/listino_prezzi/listino_equipaggiamento/lagoon/lagoon_421.pdf

for only one Euro. I figure the bigger sail/shorter mast offsets the costs of the bigger mast.

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Dave- I do remember your comments about your friends 421 from a previous post. I haven't forgotten that advice
Pending a good survey, this looks like a good deal, if you are OK with a shorter stick and the AC distribution and accepting you won't be the fastest boat out there. This is a very comfy boat at anchor.

If you're going to stay in the E Carib the short stick is pretty much a non issue as "fully sticked boats" (Did I just make up a new term?) will be sailing around with at least one reef all the time anyway.

Get a good surveyor and proceed, IMHO.

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Pending a good survey, this looks like a good deal, if you are OK with a shorter stick and the AC distribution and accepting you won't be the fastest boat out there. This is a very comfy boat at anchor.

If you're going to stay in the E Carib the short stick is pretty much a non issue as "fully sticked boats" (Did I just make up a new term?) will be sailing around with at least one reef all the time anyway.

Get a good surveyor and proceed, IMHO.

Dave
Thanks Dave. If I get the boat maybe I'll call it "Anchored Short Stick"... oh wait, that might send the wrong message
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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

It didn't look trashed to me either. In fact, it looked pretty darn good.

We did buy a boat that was almost new but had been abandoned. We bought right & paid to fix what needed fixing and came out well ahead on the deal. Do your homework, and think about all those things that can dry out or congeal as needing attention.

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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

I bought my boat from Jean Paul at Caribbean Yachts and he's a great guy. I haggled back and forth with him until we reached a deal. Get a survey, get the things that you want repaired in writing and fixed then buy the boat. Lagoons are capable and comfortable, not racers. St Martin is a great place to start cruising.
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I bought my boat from Jean Paul at Caribbean Yachts and he's a great guy. I haggled back and forth with him until we reached a deal. Get a survey, get the things that you want repaired in writing and fixed then buy the boat. Lagoons are capable and comfortable, not racers. St Martin is a great place to start cruising.
Thanks Kmason. That's good to hear about him
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Boat looks trashed, but those saildrives look like new!
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Damn... gonna have to get my eyes tested... don't look trashed to me..

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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

We bought an abandoned cat too - sailed for one week before a badly broken hip meant the owner never sailed it again. (we had 30 hours on the engines on a 3 year old boat)

We had a few small things like siezed stop cocks, replaced rudder bearing, failed pump etc due to inactivity for 3 years etc. Internally it still looked (and importantly for the admiral smelled) new.

After 3 seasons with us the only major issue has been new house batteries after the first season (likely due to an overcharging on solar while stored). So for all intents other than the battery its worn like a new boat since we've had her with just basic maintenance so I can say the 3 years on the hard did almost no harm. Sails would be the exception so make sure they wore stored properly.

This looks like a similar opportunity so i say as long as its the make and model you want get a survey focusing on inactivity issues and go for it. I would even say it has an advantage over new in one respect in that its had a decent breaking in sail so no fluffing around at the start with the factory.

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Re: Would You Buy A Boat That Hasn't Been Used

This sounds like it could be a hell of a good deal. Just remember there are no free lunches.

Short mast, 50Hz, don't worry about it.

If you can write a check for it and still have liquidity go for it. If not walk away.
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