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Old 15-06-2013, 09:57   #106
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Re: Why. Used Seawind is so much Higher Price than Lagoon

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This is now just bickering. Time to take a deep breath and decide if you would like to continue in this vein and suffer the consequences.

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I don't believe i'm bickering in any sense, i simply posted pictures of the compared mentioned brand with what we bought for what's posted as the same money.

Seawinds are weight sensitive, watch when 8 people sit in the cockpit, i have at boat shows. I've sailed a Seawind 23 / 23 years ago and loved it BUT for the money i stand by our choice.

Today under reacher (the one in our picture) we sat on 2.5 knots in 4 knots apparent at 90deg... What more can anyone want???
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Old 15-06-2013, 10:29   #107
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I don't believe i'm bickering in any sense, i simply posted pictures of the compared mentioned brand with what we bought for what's posted as the same money.

Seawinds are weight sensitive, watch when 8 people sit in the cockpit, i have at boat shows. I've sailed a Seawind 23 / 23 years ago and loved it BUT for the money i stand by our choice.

Today under reacher (the one in our picture) we sat on 2.5 knots in 4 knots apparent at 90deg... What more can anyone want???
4 knots in 4 knots apparent :-)
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Old 15-06-2013, 10:38   #108
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Apoligise i should have said 2.5 in 4 knots true.
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4 knots in 4 knots apparent :-)
Which equates to 4 knots in 8knots true?
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[QUOTE="Lagoon4us;1261194"]
Which equates to 4 knots in 8knots true?[/

Depends on wind direction?
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Re: Why. Used Seawind is so much Higher Price than Lagoon

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I don't believe i'm bickering in any sense, i simply posted pictures of the compared mentioned brand with what we bought for what's posted as the same money.

Seawinds are weight sensitive, watch when 8 people sit in the cockpit, i have at boat shows. I've sailed a Seawind 23 / 23 years ago and loved it BUT for the money i stand by our choice.

Today under reacher (the one in our picture) we sat on 2.5 knots in 4 knots apparent at 90deg... What more can anyone want???
What you're talking about is just personal preference. Sure a Seawind won't carry the weight a 44 foot Lagoon will. But most times, a Seawind will outsail a Lagoon.

Some people prefer sailing ability over space. I do. I would never even consider owning a Lagoon. Not for a second. 2.5 kts in 4 knots at 90' under reacher? We'd be close to 4 kts under main and jib. A reacher (if we had one) would take us slightly OVER TWS.

And yes, your Lagoon will carry more stuff than we can.

A seawind would fit somewhere in between our two boats. A different compromise, but one that would suit plenty of people.

Truth is, at sea, you're unlikely to be carrying 8 people in the cockpit. At anchor, what does it matter if the boat sits down on it's lines? We were aboard a Saewind 1250 at Huon reef for a party one night. There were 30 or so people aboard. The way the cockpit opens up into the saloon made it possible for so many people to still move around. There wouldn't be many boats around 40 feet that could do that.
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What you're talking about is just personal preference. Sure a Seawind won't carry the weight a 44 foot Lagoon will. But most times, a Seawind will outsail a Lagoon.

Some people prefer sailing ability over space. I do. I would never even consider owning a Lagoon. Not for a second. 2.5 kts in 4 knots at 90' under reacher? We'd be close to 4 kts under main and jib. A reacher (if we had one) would take us slightly OVER TWS.

And yes, your Lagoon will carry more stuff than we can.

A seawind would fit somewhere in between our two boats. A different compromise, but one that would suit plenty of people.

Truth is, at sea, you're unlikely to be carrying 8 people in the cockpit. At anchor, what does it matter if the boat sits down on it's lines? We were aboard a Saewind 1250 at Huon reef for a party one night. There were 30 or so people aboard. The way the cockpit opens up into the saloon made it possible for so many people to still move around. There wouldn't be many boats around 40 feet that could do that.
Thanks that sums it up well. I've got nothing against the Lagoons, Leopards etc. just not what I'm interested in. And if I had the money to purchase a new or even used Lagoon 450 or Seawind 1160, at that price there would be quite a few other boats I would be investigating. But the open salon to cockpit of the 1160........:-)
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Re: Why. Used Seawind is so much Higher Price than Lagoon

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I don't believe i'm bickering in any sense, i simply posted pictures of the compared mentioned brand with what we bought for what's posted as the same money.

Seawinds are weight sensitive, watch when 8 people sit in the cockpit, i have at boat shows. I've sailed a Seawind 23 / 23 years ago and loved it BUT for the money i stand by our choice.

Today under reacher (the one in our picture) we sat on 2.5 knots in 4 knots apparent at 90deg... What more can anyone want???
What year is your Lagoon?

They are not all the same correct? Or am I thinking of the 420....
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Ah but the boats do compare price wise so my point was which would i rather have for similar money, a boat that is weight sensitive or a comfortable cruising home that sails quite well, well enough that very few mono's pass us....
Just saying.
The same price? Really? Only way the prices are similar is if you are comparing to a previous chartered Lagoon 440 with a Seawind 1160. If you want a cheap, beat to hell Lagoon then go for it. I'd pick the 1160 every day of the week.
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Old 17-06-2013, 10:26   #116
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In Australia 3 late model seawind 1160 asking price $450-$530.

Our 2007 3cabin privately owned fully loaded hardly used Lagoon 440 with thruster, water maker, solar, navtex, centre console RIB, all electric winches, chilled water air con, forward looking sonar, dishwasher, Profurl in boom furling, 100 metres of 12mm chain,all crockery, 3months of high quality wine, 3months Marina mooring in Premium Croatian position, 12 months insurance for far below the above price quoted in this thread for a Seawind.

My point is if that's the price you guy's are entertaining then you need to look around more, a mate bought similar to mine for slightly more 8 months later and surgery wouldn't remove his smile so mnfish yes REALLY!

I have no idea why Seawinds are more expensive, i really don't.

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Beat to hell Lagoon??????? You are opinionated without knowledge of the real market maybe you should get out more?

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What year is your Lagoon?

They are not all the same correct? Or am I thinking of the 420....
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What you're talking about is just personal preference. Sure a Seawind won't carry the weight a 44 foot Lagoon will. But most times, a Seawind will outsail a Lagoon.

Some people prefer sailing ability over space. I do. I would never even consider owning a Lagoon. Not for a second. 2.5 kts in 4 knots at 90' under reacher? We'd be close to 4 kts under main and jib. A reacher (if we had one) would take us slightly OVER TWS.

And yes, your Lagoon will carry more stuff than we can.

A seawind would fit somewhere in between our two boats. A different compromise, but one that would suit plenty of people.

Truth is, at sea, you're unlikely to be carrying 8 people in the cockpit. At anchor, what does it matter if the boat sits down on it's lines? We were aboard a Saewind 1250 at Huon reef for a party one night. There were 30 or so people aboard. The way the cockpit opens up into the saloon made it possible for so many people to still move around. There wouldn't be many boats around 40 feet that could do that.
You miss my point, it's the comfort choice with sailing ability, some believe Lagoon's just motor well they don't they sail quite nicely and in the real cruising world hold their own well.
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33 Lagoon 440's on the market with asking prices from mid 300's to upper 700's. 6 Seawind 1160's on the market with asking prices from mid 300's to mid 400's. I think it's obvious that anything mass produced will probably maintain a lower value as there are plenty of them on the market. Could be other reasons as well but does it matter? It is what it is.
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