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Old 23-10-2011, 17:28   #31
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Re: Why Is the Manta Held in Such High Regard ?

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Yes, the last few boats suffered from quality control problems and some bad build decisions. I don't know the exact production numbers. I believe hull #127 was the last built, so probably hulls #122-127. Most of the owners have solved these problems by now.

I know most of the problems and can honestly say that those "problem" boats were delivered out of the factory in better shape than most new production cats. It's just that no one had ever seen those types of quality issues out of Manta before.

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Fixed now I think but did you hear of the one that "opened up"? As in one could see blue water from the salon looking down. Don't know details. Heard from a "knowledgeable" source. Pure rumor?????
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Old 23-10-2011, 20:44   #32
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You are absolutely correct. Even the diagonal stanchion brace is in the same place. And it looks like there are tube steel lifelines forward with cables aft. Check it out. So was this at the Manta facility but being built by independents? BOB
That does look like Ice Wars. If the photo under the tarps came from the Manta factory, then the builder was renting the space for final fitout. Makes sense as the builder was an ex-Manta owner/principle. However, Ice Wars II is NOT in any way related with Manta nor was a Manta prototype or development boat of any sorts.

I have been to the factory. It is a fully enclosed warehouse-style building with front office. There would be no need for tarping over boats, so the above boat must have been outside the factory buildings.

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Old 23-10-2011, 20:49   #33
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Re: Why Is the Manta Held in Such High Regard ?

Damn, I wanted the famous phantom Manta 50. Thanks for clearing that up. BOB
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Old 23-10-2011, 21:00   #34
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Fixed now I think but did you hear of the one that "opened up"? As in one could see blue water from the salon looking down. Don't know details. Heard from a "knowledgeable" source. Pure rumor?????
Wow, haven't heard that one. Frankly, I don't know how that could even happen. Even with the most outrageous build problems, the design and molds are such that you would never see the sea through the salon. The boat is made in two molds - the entire hull/bridgedeck/hull mold and the cabin top mold, and these two are glassed together into a monocoque. The boat would simply split in half and flounder before you saw blue water from the salon.

I suspect that what you heard is mostly rumor confused with the issue of the salon furniture not being glassed to the bridgedeck floor on the last few boats made. This caused the furniture to move around a bit in heavy seas and crack corian counters, open up joinery, etc. Definitely a quality/build problem, but not a dramatic structural or safety problem that would result in blue water in the salon.

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Old 23-10-2011, 21:16   #35
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Damn, I wanted the famous phantom Manta 50. Thanks for clearing that up. BOB
No problem, the boat you are seeking exists - the Ocean Catamaran 49, the Freydis 49 and the Brazapi 51.

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Old 24-10-2011, 06:45   #36
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Hmmm, the Ocean Cat 49 sure looks a lot like the Freydis 49. I wonder why that is.
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Old 24-10-2011, 11:35   #37
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Wow, haven't heard that one. Frankly, I don't know how that could even happen. Even with the most outrageous build problems, the design and molds are such that you would never see the sea through the salon. The boat is made in two molds - the entire hull/bridgedeck/hull mold and the cabin top mold, and these two are glassed together into a monocoque. The boat would simply split in half and flounder before you saw blue water from the salon.

I suspect that what you heard is mostly rumor confused with the issue of the salon furniture not being glassed to the bridgedeck floor on the last few boats made. This caused the furniture to move around a bit in heavy seas and crack corian counters, open up joinery, etc. Definitely a quality/build problem, but not a dramatic structural or safety problem that would result in blue water in the salon.

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Probably the pure rumor side.

And it might not have even been told in the (closed to the public) Manta group if true either.
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Hmmm, the Ocean Cat 49 sure looks a lot like the Freydis 49. I wonder why that is.
Because it was splashed off of one. The owner of Ocean Cats was the original owner of Manta and seems to have a fondness for stealing LaRouge designs and building them under another name.

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Re: Why Is the Manta Held in Such High Regard ?

I can't beleive it. An Ocean Cat was just listed for sale today. Considering there were only 6 built what are the odds. You will have to register to get the full specs page but you can get a free copy of Multihulls Mag for the trouble.
http://www.catamarans.com/sales/main...5899&curr_id=7
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Because it was splashed off of one. The owner of Ocean Cats was the original owner of Manta and seems to have a fondness for stealing LaRouge designs and building them under another name.

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Old 23-11-2011, 15:04   #41
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Re: Why Is the Manta Held in Such High Regard ?

The boat in the temporary shelter behind the Manta factory, was the Fastwater 52 designed by Cort Steck, and built under my supervision for the owner, who is an ex-Manta owner. It is built of aluminum and has a free standing carbon fiber mast. It has nothing to do with Manta other than the same guy (me) developed and oversaw the construction of both boats.
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Re: Why Is the Manta Held in Such High Regard ?

Manta Catamarans is looking for a select (1) one venture capitalist / equity partner; or several small investors to help us put this line back into production.
The first steps have been taken, we have located a building suitable for production, have spoken with many of the key personnel from the old company, we have had the molds surveyed by professionals and have a schedule of processes needed to bring the molds back into production quality.
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