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Old 04-03-2015, 12:55   #181
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

Here's a cat on the west coast of Mexico, which in my mind would be a comparable boat to the LeRouge. The ad is locked in the Lattitude 38 magazine.
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Old 04-03-2015, 12:59   #182
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

2 Hulls;

How naive are U?
Do U think there is a good resale market thees days willing to pay market value?
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Old 04-03-2015, 13:44   #183
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2 Hulls;

How naive are U?
Do U think there is a good resale market thees days willing to pay market value?
Assuming you're referring to my post regarding some boats holding their value better than others, I recommend you read it again and notice that I said "Assuming I could sell my boat....."

If you'd like to then question my understanding of markets and economics, please ask a more specific question rather than cast aspersions. And please check your spelling so I'll have a better chance of understanding what you're asking.

Have a nice day.

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Old 04-03-2015, 13:50   #184
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

my solaris 42 has borg warner v drives one original one has been replaced. the one that has not been replaced leaks a little oil when it is completely full she gets down about 1/4 gt quits leaking ..
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Old 04-03-2015, 13:52   #185
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Assuming you're referring to my post regarding some boats holding their value better than others, I recommend you read it again and notice that I said "Assuming I could sell my boat....."

If you'd like to then question my understanding of markets and economics, please ask a more specific question rather than cast aspersions. And please check your spelling so I'll have a better chance of understanding what you're asking.

Have a nice day.

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You are not alone thinking your boat is more worth than the others. Have you seen any late sales of a 471?

I also should say that Catanas hold up pretty good. I have worked on several. But nobody in the business gets market value.
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Old 04-03-2015, 13:56   #186
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

"Why doesn't any boat Sale?"

It's simply priced to high...
Every boat has a price the seller is willing to take and a buyer is willing to give. Those two haven't come together yet.

That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with the boat, it just means the song-n-dance of the deal hasn't happened yet. I think it was mentioned that the seller really didn't "need" to sell her...and that is why LOTS of boats sit without selling. They don't want to take what the market says she is worth, they have some fake number in their head with their memories, gear upgrades and purchase and ownerships costs which has nothing to do with what the boat is worth.
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Old 04-03-2015, 14:37   #187
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

"It's simply priced to high...
Every boat has a price the seller is willing to take and a buyer is willing to give. Those two haven't come together yet. "


Indeed !

We know the owner rejected an offer, about six months ago, for a cash amount only about 15% less than we want to offer.

That rejected purchase offer sets the floor for our offer but another six-months and $15,000 of expenses have gone by so maybe this time a similar offer might be closer to the number needed.
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Rejection isn't bad either...kinda like asking the girl for a dance.
If you get rejected, you tweak the offer
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$15,000 in expenses over six months?
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$15,000 in expenses over six months?
$1,600 a month slip fee = $9,600
San Diego Property Tax @ $6,000year = $3,000
Diver at $100/month = $600
Boat wash @ $100/month = $600
Engine (valve adjustment, valve cover gaskets, new belts, filters, oil, coolant) $3,000
(don't blame me for the engine bill - I just saw it on the boat)

$16,800!

As others have said - a 51' x 28' catamaran is not cheap to keep
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Wow, I'm impressed. Moorage here in the soggy Northwest runs me $246/mo for my 47'er so say $260 for 51'. Moorage in Seattle is a bit higher, say $10/ft so $510/mo. I'm not sure what WA boat tax would be, but no one in my marina has a monthly diver or boat wash. You guys in San Diego pay a lot for the extra 320 days of sunshine.

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$1,600 a month slip fee = $9,600
San Diego Property Tax @ $6,000year = $3,000
Diver at $100/month = $600
Boat wash @ $100/month = $600
Engine (valve adjustment, valve cover gaskets, new belts, filters, oil, coolant) $3,000
(don't blame me for the engine bill - I just saw it on the boat)

$16,800!

As others have said - a 51' x 28' catamaran is not cheap to keep
Yep looks about right to me....
and I think you just scared the **** out of a few perspective Cat owners...at least in keeping their boats in So Cal...ha ha ah
That's why I'm up here on a mooring ball in dirt cheap Morro Bay....smile....
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Engine (valve adjustment, valve cover gaskets, new belts, filters, oil, coolant) $3,000
(don't blame me for the engine bill - I just saw it on the boat)


I want that mechanic's job! It does explain some of the other eye-popping prices for engine and saildrive work posted earlier.

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Old 04-03-2015, 16:15   #194
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

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$1,600 a month slip fee = $9,600
San Diego Property Tax @ $6,000year = $3,000
Diver at $100/month = $600
Boat wash @ $100/month = $600
Engine (valve adjustment, valve cover gaskets, new belts, filters, oil, coolant) $3,000
But consider the difference once you go cruising:

$0/month slip fee
$0/month property tax
Diver? Are you kidding me?
$0/month boat wash
$??/month for all maintenance - variable, depending on what you DIY

Of course you have to haul out once in a while and buy parts, etc., and replace "consumables" (which includes sails), but far less than $16K/month.

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Old 04-03-2015, 16:38   #195
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Re: Why doesn't this beautiful catamaran sell?

Almost 200 posts and nothing solved. There have been a few people that have posted cats that are approximately the same price, size and performance level but the op hasn't commented on these. Instead he's commented on a boat like a Lagoon which isn't even close to the same class as the LeRouge. I think this thread is a lost cause.
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