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Old 02-12-2015, 17:02   #736
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Re: Why Do Catamarans Motor Nearly 100%

This is by some definitions a cruising cat:-

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...tFPSfgRQWog_TZ

He sailed it around the world.
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This is by some definitions a cruising cat:-

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...tFPSfgRQWog_TZ

He sailed it around the world.
And a Mexican fisherman drifted across the Pacific in his fishing boat on a 14 month "cruise" too.
What's your point? That some people do some bizarre things in sailboats every once in a while?
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And a Mexican fisherman drifted across the Pacific in his fishing boat on a 14 month "cruise" too.
What's your point? That some people do some bizarre things in sailboats every once in a while?
He's addressing a previous statement that said, and I'm paraphrasing, that what determines a cruising boat is whether it's used as a cruising boat or not.

I think some designers might take issue with that..

Of course the gentlemen in question is trying to create this context to support his earlier claims. The majority of which have already been disproven.
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Thanksgiving day, closing reaching on the ICW inshore of Cape Caniveral with no tide or current.
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This is by some definitions a cruising cat:-

https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/i...tFPSfgRQWog_TZ

He sailed it around the world.
And what an accomplishment even if he had to rebuild the boat at the middle of it (shipwrecked on a shore: he fall asleep).

A great sailor Peyron and while he was doing this incredibly dangerous stunt his brother, also a great multihull sailor, died in a stupid dive accident
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He's addressing a previous statement that said, and I'm paraphrasing, that what determines a cruising boat is whether it's used as a cruising boat or not.

I think some designers might take issue with that..

Of course the gentlemen in question is trying to create this context to support his earlier claims. The majority of which have already been disproven.
Yeah, I got that. His arguement is just silly. Can you imagine going to sea in a boat with NO TRANSOM AT ALL !!!

It's just my sense of humour. I was being, how shall we say, a bit sardonic/sarcastic/ironic?

Sure, people's idea of what constitutes cruising will vary, but certain safety considerations are not negotiable for SAFE cruising. People can risk lives going to sea in unseaworthy boats, but to call that cruising is to demean the term.

I guess one way to look at it is whether the boat considered to be a "cruiser" complies with ISAF Cat 1 off shore regs? Of course then they say, "But I only move every week or so a few miles up the coast gunkholing, so I don't need all that off shore stuff. But I'm a cruiser."

Fair enuf, horses for courses.

PT Barnum said something like " A fool and his money are soon parted." A similar saying could be "A foolhardy cruiser will be sorted out by the sea, sooner or later. She shows no mercy."
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Yeah, I got that. His arguement is just silly. Can you imagine going to sea in a boat with NO TRANSOM AT ALL !!!


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It's just my sense of humour. I was being, how shall we say, a bit sardonic/sarcastic/ironic?
Fair cop guv, you got me.

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Sure, people's idea of what constitutes cruising will vary, but certain safety considerations are not negotiable for SAFE cruising. People can risk lives going to sea in unseaworthy boats, but to call that cruising is to demean the term.

I guess one way to look at it is whether the boat considered to be a "cruiser" complies with ISAF Cat 1 off shore regs? Of course then they say, "But I only move every week or so a few miles up the coast gunkholing, so I don't need all that off shore stuff. But I'm a cruiser."

Fair enuf, horses for courses.

PT Barnum said something like " A fool and his money are soon parted." A similar saying could be "A foolhardy cruiser will be sorted out by the sea, sooner or later. She shows no mercy."
Some very good points..
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Yeah, wasn't us. The new boat is likely Bob's, and he hasn't got sails yet. He really does have to motor 100% of the time, for the next few days anyway.


The other might be Bob's old boat, Mango. It's in the area.


Are you going to be at RH for a while?
Yes, I live there. Guess they sailed/motored over to Kingfisher to shelter from the S-SE's, currently gusting over 30 knots.

Bob's new boat certainly gets along on just the motors. Perhaps he doesn't really need sails
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He needs the sails alright. spoke to him today and he's already sick of motoring. Should have them next week.
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And what an accomplishment even if he had to rebuild the boat at the middle of it (shipwrecked on a shore: he fall asleep).

A great sailor Peyron and while he was doing this incredibly dangerous stunt his brother, also a great multihull sailor, died in a stupid dive accident
I am getting old. Peyron is another great cat sailor . The brothers I was talking about are the Bourgnon, also great sailors.

On my site you will find out the story and videos (I cannot post a link)

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Yeah, I got that. His arguement is just silly. Can you imagine going to sea in a boat with NO TRANSOM AT ALL !!!

It's just my sense of humour. I was being, how shall we say, a bit sardonic/sarcastic/ironic?

Sure, people's idea of what constitutes cruising will vary, but certain safety considerations are not negotiable for SAFE cruising. People can risk lives going to sea in unseaworthy boats, but to call that cruising is to demean the term.

I guess one way to look at it is whether the boat considered to be a "cruiser" complies with ISAF Cat 1 off shore regs? Of course then they say, "But I only move every week or so a few miles up the coast gunkholing, so I don't need all that off shore stuff. But I'm a cruiser."

Fair enuf, horses for courses.

PT Barnum said something like " A fool and his money are soon parted." A similar saying could be "A foolhardy cruiser will be sorted out by the sea, sooner or later. She shows no mercy."
I agree with a good measure of seaworthiness is to comply with ISAF Cat 1 even if ISAF cat 1 is a Class A RCD certified on a boat equipped in a very safe way. In what regards monohulls:
https://members.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2015Mo1-[18231].pdf

If one wants to have a bigger safety margin he can always chose a boat that complies with ISAF cat 0 that demands a superior seaworthiness, this time the stability requirements are bigger than the ones on the RCD:
https://members.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2015Mo0-[18230].pdf

For multihulls you have also Class 1 and class 0 even if in what regards stability demands they are less specific than with monohulls (have to be RCD class a approved). More on the conditions the boat must have to assure survival when the boat is capsized and off course, safety equipment.
https://members.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2015Mu1-[18237].pdf
https://members.sailing.org/tools/documents/OSR2015Mu0-[18236].pdf

Regarding an open transom to be detrimental regarding safety I guess you are joking. Many class 0 monohulls have an open transom.
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Regarding an open transom to be detrimental regarding safety I guess you are joking. Many class 0 monohulls have an open transom.
You are using Racing Rules to suggest what is safe for cruising, doewsn't make sense to me - but what would I know. And if you think an open transom is a good thing for a cruising boat, particularly one crewed by a couple rather than a team of 15 then you have little knowledge of what it is that blue water cruisers actually do
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You are using Racing Rules to suggest what is safe for cruising, doewsn't make sense to me - but what would I know. And if you think an open transom is a good thing for a cruising boat, particularly one crewed by a couple rather than a team of 15 then you have little knowledge of what it is that blue water cruisers actually do
Yes you know it all

It was not me that suggested that complying demands on boats and equipment for safety racing offshore would be a good idea in what regards safety on cruising boats.

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I guess one way to look at it is whether the boat considered to be a "cruiser" complies with ISAF Cat 1 off shore regs? Of course then they say, "But I only move every week or so a few miles up the coast gunkholing, so I don't need all that off shore stuff. But I'm a cruiser."
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Even if I consider it a good idea. Regarding those racing rules, open cockpits and only being safe with 15 aboard you seem to not know that those rules also apply for solo or duo ocean racing and that almost all of those boats have an open transom.


You seem also to ignore that there are many top long range cruisers with open transoms. You even seem to believe that open transoms are dangerous



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